P\u00ebr analistin Henri \u00c7ili, dy partit\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdha n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, PD dhe PS, jan\u00eb mbi nivelin e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb. I ftuar n\u00eb emisionin \u201cProvokacija\u201d, \u00c7ili tha gjithashtu se k\u00ebto parti kan\u00eb sakrifikuar shum\u00eb p\u00ebr vendin.<\/p>\n
Nano<\/strong>: \u00cbsht\u00eb rishfaqur n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike shqiptari, personazhi q\u00eb kishte humbur nga syt\u00eb, kishte m\u00eb shum\u00eb se 10 vjet, Henri \u00c7ili.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Pak m\u00eb shum\u00eb se 10 muaj, jo 10 vjet \u2026 P\u00ebrsh\u00ebndetje, mir\u00eb se t\u00eb gjej Mu\u00e7i n\u00eb formatin t\u00ebnd shum\u00eb simpatik!<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Edhe \u00e7far\u00eb ishte kjo zhdukje nga syt\u00eb e publikut? Apo po karikon imazh?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Ka nj\u00eb dilem\u00eb, q\u00eb \u00e7far\u00eb t\u00eb themi \u2026 u b\u00eb pak gjat\u00eb n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike, edhe pse ne jemi relativisht t\u00eb rinj dhe, para emisionit po t\u00eb thosha q\u00eb vitin tjet\u00ebr b\u00ebhen gati 25 vjet pun\u00eb q\u00eb nga dita e par\u00eb e pun\u00ebs n\u00eb gazet\u00ebn \u201cKoha Jon\u00eb\u201d, m\u00eb 1 tetor \u201995. Kisha nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr nj\u00eb lloj shk\u00ebputje. S\u00eb dyti, pas zgjedhjeve t\u00eb 25 qershorit, n\u00eb nj\u00ebfar\u00eb m\u00ebnyre isha paksa n\u00eb pritje p\u00ebr m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn se si do t\u00eb merrnin ngjarjet dhe fabulat. Pastaj kam dhe shum\u00eb detyra t\u00eb tjera, detyra si sip\u00ebrmarr\u00ebs, detyra si menaxher, reformat e tjera t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme. T\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto duan nj\u00eb lloj t\u00ebrheqje, nj\u00eb \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Vet\u00ebm se ti ke luksin, ndryshe nga un\u00eb, t\u00eb b\u00ebsh pauza, edhe do t\u00eb doja ta kisha dhe un\u00eb, po s\u2019e kam, sepse k\u00ebto pauza jan\u00eb t\u00eb mira.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Jan\u00eb t\u00eb mira \u2026 po Mu\u00e7i ti nuk e kupton se sa lukse kan\u00eb njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb nuk jan\u00eb sip\u00ebrmarr\u00ebs, pra ti ke dhe m\u00eb shum\u00eb lukse sesa un\u00eb.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Okej, okej, k\u00ebt\u00eb e di n\u00eb fakt, dhe nga nj\u00ebra an\u00eb them shyqyr q\u00eb nuk jam sip\u00ebrmarr\u00ebs<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Por n\u00eb nj\u00ebfar\u00eb m\u00ebnyre, ideja e pushimit kur ti e do, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb luks i atij q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb sip\u00ebrmarr\u00ebs, dhe dikur p\u00ebrdorja nj\u00eb shprehje: \u201cJam pronar, s\u2019kam orar\u201d.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Tani p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb ata q\u00eb ndoshta nuk e din\u00eb, Henri \u00c7ili b\u00ebn pauza dhe rishfaqet kur pun\u00ebt e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb shkojn\u00eb keq, ose kur Henri mendon q\u00eb shkojn\u00eb keq, dhe nxjerr ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb pilul\u00ebn liberale. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb \u2026?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Sakt\u00eb. Po, n\u00eb nj\u00eb far\u00eb m\u00ebnyre, pilula ose formula ime nuk ndryshon asnj\u00ebher\u00eb, n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb kuptim e konsideroj p\u00ebrkund\u00ebr ndonj\u00eb perceptimi t\u00eb caktuar veten shum\u00eb koherent, pra pothuajse s\u2019i kam ndryshuar asnj\u00ebher\u00eb idet\u00eb e mia, ose praktikisht s\u2019i kam ndryshuar asnj\u00ebher\u00eb idet\u00eb e mia, dhe dit\u00ebn e premte, promovimi i projektit m\u00eb t\u00eb ri t\u00eb Institutit \u201cPashko\u201d, gazeta \u201cLiberale\u201d, ishte nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb se si mendoj q\u00eb liberal\u00ebt duhet t\u00eb jen\u00eb t\u00eb pranish\u00ebm n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike, se si duhet t\u00eb filloj\u00eb rezistenca liberale dhe ky \u00ebsht\u00eb kontributi im modest nga pozitat e nj\u00eb organizate jofitimprur\u00ebse.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Kemi dhe numrin e par\u00eb t\u00eb gazet\u00ebs \u201cLiberale\u201d. \u201cA do mbijetoj\u00eb?\u201d, \u00ebsht\u00eb fjala p\u00ebr Lulzim Bash\u00ebn. Pyetje e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb apo jo? Ne do t\u00eb kthehemi edhe te Lulzim Basha, por t\u00eb mbetemi pak te Henri \u00c7ili. A \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb q\u00eb ti ke pasur nj\u00eb q\u00ebndrim konstant dhe ke qen\u00eb ideologjikisht \u2026 ke pasur nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb t\u00ebnden q\u00eb nuk e ke nd\u00ebrruar, t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn deklarativisht, sepse mund t\u00eb ket\u00eb njer\u00ebz q\u00eb thon\u00eb okej, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb ana deklarative, sepse Henri \u00c7ili n\u00eb momente t\u00eb caktuara kur ia do puna quan liberal nj\u00eb njeri q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb liberal apo quan joliberal nj\u00eb njeri q\u00eb mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb liberal?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: \u00c7dokush ka mark\u00ebn e vet apo m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn e vet se si \u00ebsht\u00eb i pranish\u00ebm n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike, se jeta publike \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e gjer\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e komplikuar, shoq\u00ebria demokratike \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e koklavitur dhe nga pozitat e mia modeste un\u00eb kam ruajtur t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn dy elemente: ideja q\u00eb t\u00eb kontribuoj me an\u00eb t\u00eb mekanizmave, kam parasysh struktura, institute, gazeta, projekte, k\u00ebrkim shkencor etj., etj., n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike dhe me fjal\u00ebn time. Do t\u00eb kisha dashur t\u00eb mos kontribuoja me fjal\u00ebn time, pra struktura t\u00eb funksiononte gjithmon\u00eb vet\u00eb, po kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb e mundur dhe ndoshta dhe vesi nuk m\u00eb l\u00eb, ose vesi i publikes. Un\u00eb e kam parasysh p\u00ebr \u00e7far\u00eb ti po m\u00eb pyet, por mendoj q\u00eb kritik\u00ebt e mi nuk kan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb drejtim. Pse? Parimi baz\u00eb imi ose i gazetave dhe strukturave ka qen\u00eb q\u00eb ne do t\u00eb mb\u00ebshtesim \u00e7do gj\u00eb liberale kudo ku ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb dhe do t\u00eb kritikojm\u00eb \u00e7do gj\u00eb joliberale kudo ku ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb. A pati Rama nj\u00eb faz\u00eb liberale gjat\u00eb qeverisjes s\u00eb tij pas 2013-s? Un\u00eb kam qen\u00eb nj\u00eb kund\u00ebrshtar i ardhjes dhe i eksperimentit Rama n\u00eb pushtet, p\u00ebr shkak t\u00eb taks\u00ebs progresive, formul\u00ebs etj., etj., por populli votoi ndryshe dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb okej. Un\u00eb i kam th\u00ebn\u00eb dhe n\u00eb dy librat e vegj\u00ebl q\u00eb kam b\u00ebr\u00eb pas \u00e7do pal\u00eb zgjedhjeje, 2013-s dhe 2017-s, q\u00eb n\u00eb faz\u00ebn e par\u00eb Rama filloi dhe e braktisi programin p\u00ebr t\u00eb cilin kishte ardhur, me p\u00ebrjashtim t\u00eb disa elementeve, taks\u00ebs progresive, sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsis\u00eb falas \u2026 dhe filloi nj\u00eb kurs t\u00eb reformave t\u00eb rrug\u00ebs s\u00eb tret\u00eb ose liberalizuese, pak a shum\u00eb. P\u00ebr shembull, pata regjistruar nj\u00eb list\u00eb at\u00ebhere prej rreth shtat\u00eb nga dhjet\u00eb reformat q\u00eb ishin me natyr\u00eb liberale: nisi reform\u00ebn territoriale, nisi reform\u00ebn e pensioneve, nisi kontrollin e territorit nga pik\u00ebpamja e nd\u00ebrtimeve \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po k\u00ebto jan\u00eb si pa ngjyr\u00eb n\u00eb terma ideologjik\u00eb.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Jo, nuk jan\u00eb pa ngjyr\u00eb, jan\u00eb me natyr\u00eb thjesht\u00ebzuese, liberalizuese, shtet i vog\u00ebl etj., etj., dhe e p\u00ebrfundoi me fillimin e mandatit t\u00eb dyt\u00eb pas 25 qershorit me 10 ministri dhe shkurtimin e institucioneve. Sigurisht q\u00eb asnj\u00ebher\u00eb s\u2019kam qen\u00eb dakord, n\u00eb kuptimin q\u00eb e kam kund\u00ebrshtuar vazhdimisht edhe iden\u00eb e sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsis\u00eb falas. Ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb nga gabimet e tij q\u00eb sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsia \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb gjendje, apo ideja e taks\u00ebs progresive, e cila ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb nga gj\u00ebrat m\u00eb shkat\u00ebrrimtare t\u00eb k\u00ebtyre 6-7 viteve \u2026 N\u00eb faz\u00ebn e par\u00eb ka pasur nj\u00eb administrativiz\u00ebm, administrata e Ram\u00ebs ka pasur shum\u00eb burokraci dhe n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sens un\u00eb them q\u00eb zhvendosja e Ram\u00ebs pas 2013-s dhe n\u00ebn k\u00ebshillat e Tony Blair, me k\u00ebshilltar\u00ebt e tij, ka qen\u00eb shum\u00eb e fuqishme te vepra publike e Ram\u00ebs, para dhe pas zgjedhjeve. Ai u zhvendos pak te social-demokracia klasike dhe shkoi drejt rrug\u00ebs s\u00eb tret\u00eb. Si i till\u00eb nuk kisha absolutisht asnj\u00eb arsye t\u00eb mos e p\u00ebrsh\u00ebndesja, madje kisha edhe interesa n\u00eb sensin e k\u00ebsaj gj\u00ebje \u2026 q\u00eb \u00e7do gj\u00eb q\u00eb shkon pro tregut, cilado forc\u00eb q\u00eb e b\u00ebn. Ashtu si\u00e7 konservator\u00ebt jan\u00eb ata q\u00eb kan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebjn\u00eb paq n\u00eb Shtetet e Bashkuara t\u00eb Amerik\u00ebs, edhe socialist\u00ebt kan\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebjn\u00eb reforma derregulluese, sepse jan\u00eb vet\u00eb etatist\u00eb. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sens, di\u00e7ka q\u00eb mund ta b\u00ebnte nj\u00eb qeverisje e majt\u00eb do t\u00eb ishte shum\u00eb efektive.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Ti je midis dy ofertash, le t\u00eb themi elektorale, nj\u00ebra prej t\u00eb cilave premton liberalizimin e ekonomis\u00eb, premton privatizimin, taks\u00ebn e shesht\u00eb, jo progresive, por nga ana tjet\u00ebr nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb garanci e mir\u00eb kur vjen puna tek ai diskutimi mbi qasjen e asaj demokratike \u2026 mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb autokratike, deri edhe qejflesh\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb instaluar nj\u00eb regjim policor, dhe midis ofert\u00ebs tjet\u00ebr q\u00eb premton taksa progresive, shtet t\u00eb madh, por q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e hapur, m\u00eb tolerante. Cila \u00ebsht\u00eb oferta q\u00eb zgjedh?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: At\u00ebher\u00eb, n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se shtrohet k\u00ebshtu un\u00eb do ta them se \u00e7far\u00eb zgjedh, por nuk shtrohet k\u00ebshtu, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb shtruar asnj\u00ebher\u00eb k\u00ebshtu, sepse \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Un\u00eb dua t\u00eb di sa r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi ka ana ideologjike te ty.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Fillimisht zgjedh konceptin demokratik, liberalizmin politik, pastaj brenda liberalizmit politik zgjedh alternativ\u00ebn e djatht\u00eb ose alternativ\u00ebn liberale. Kjo nuk diskutohet, pra nuk shtrohet \u00e7\u00ebshtja q\u00eb kemi taks\u00eb t\u00eb shesht\u00eb, shtet t\u00eb vog\u00ebl etj., etj., dhe kemi edhe diktatur\u00eb. Zgjedhja e par\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb demokracia. Po nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb shtruar ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebj t\u00eb kund\u00ebrt\u00ebn. T\u00eb biem dakord, q\u00eb pas elementeve t\u00eb autoritarizmit t\u00eb \u201992 \u2013 \u201896-s, Shqip\u00ebria nuk ka pasur m\u00eb nj\u00eb rrezik t\u00eb madh realist autoritarist, as sot nuk e ka, le \u00e7far\u00eb diskutohet. Nuk jam dakord me k\u00ebt\u00eb q\u00eb Shqip\u00ebria rrezikon, edhe Berisha \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb suaz\u00eb demokratike, me plus-minuset e vogla.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Kontrollin e institucioneve ata q\u00eb t\u00eb dy e kan\u00eb garantuar, po nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se pushtetin e kan\u00eb, si t\u00eb thuash pushtetin q\u00eb kan\u00eb marr\u00eb n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet kontrollit t\u00eb institucioneve e shfryt\u00ebzojn\u00eb \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Nuk ka diktator. Berisha dhe Rama jan\u00eb lider\u00eb autoritar\u00eb, kan\u00eb autoritet, jan\u00eb deri n\u00eb kufij t\u00eb autoritarizmit, por nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb kjo zgjedhje. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sens sigurisht q\u00eb dilema e par\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb demokratike apo jo, pastaj brenda demokratikes, pra nuk do t\u00eb pranoja nj\u00eb regjim fashist.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Sot \u00e7far\u00eb po ndodh n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, me pak fjal\u00eb?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Me pak fjal\u00eb, me dy-tri paragraf\u00eb, n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri po ndodhin t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn tri zhvillime t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme. N\u00eb radh\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb kemi ndjesin\u00eb e ngecjes, t\u00eb pesimizmit, t\u00eb nj\u00eb horizonti t\u00eb mbyllur \u2026 Deri n\u00eb 2015-n, 2016-n, pavar\u00ebsisht problemeve Shqip\u00ebria ka pasur nj\u00eb sens perspektive, ka pasur nj\u00eb sens horizonti t\u00eb hapur. Elementi i dyt\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb fakti q\u00eb n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb ngushtuar modeli aktual, oferta apo struktura aktuale qeveris\u00ebse pothuajse i ka shteruar mund\u00ebsit\u00eb e veta dhe lideri i saj Rama, por mbi t\u00eb gjitha Shqip\u00ebria po rrezikon t\u00eb vulos\u00eb fatin e vet si nj\u00eb vend i prapambetur, t\u00eb rivuloset ose t\u00eb ringjitet n\u00eb t\u00eb. N\u00eb teorit\u00eb e zhvillimit ka nj\u00eb moment kur nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri ose nj\u00eb komb kalon nga shoq\u00ebria e pazhvilluar, n\u00eb zhvillim dhe e zhvilluar. Ne nuk po b\u00ebjm\u00eb at\u00eb\u00a0take off<\/em>-in, si\u00e7 ngrihet avioni, pra ne nuk po e b\u00ebjm\u00eb dhe 30 vjet pas rr\u00ebzimit t\u00eb komunizmit ne nuk po b\u00ebjm\u00eb\u00a0take off<\/em>-in drejt nj\u00eb Shqip\u00ebrie t\u00eb zhvilluar.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Okej, vendose ti zgjidhjen brenda establishmentit, nuk e di, e ke k\u00ebt\u00eb prirje p\u00ebr ta k\u00ebrkuar?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Po, do ta them. Un\u00eb jam totalisht p\u00ebr establishmentin, \u00e7do zgjidhje kund\u00ebr establishmentit mua m\u00eb shtie t\u00eb dridhmat, m\u00eb krijon ose ekstremiz\u00ebm fetar, ose ekstremiz\u00ebm punist.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: \u00c7far\u00eb ke me at\u00eb robin, me at\u00eb xhent\u00eblmenin q\u00eb ka dal\u00eb n\u00eb protest\u00eb \u2026 dhe nuk e kam me Bash\u00ebn, e kam me \u2026 Me ndihm\u00ebn e regjis\u00eb do t\u00eb kemi nj\u00eb fotografi tjet\u00ebr q\u00eb mua m\u00eb duket e lezetshme. K\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb zotni me emrin Dilaver, se e lexova n\u00eb shtyp, dhe ka dal\u00eb e ka b\u00ebr\u00eb nj\u00eb \u201cbutafori\u201d t\u00eb sistemit politik sot \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: \u201cS\u2019ka Shqip\u00ebri me tre tepsi.\u201d<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po. \u201cNuk ka Shqip\u00ebri me tre tepsi\u201d dhe ka v\u00ebn\u00eb tre tepsi mbi kok\u00eb. Pra ti nuk je dakord me denoncimin q\u00eb ky i b\u00ebn establishmentit socialist?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Dilaveri ka shum\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb dhe me nj\u00eb intuit\u00eb e ka kapur q\u00eb ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb vend i vog\u00ebl q\u00eb duhet menaxhuar n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb thjesht\u00eb. P\u00ebr shembull un\u00eb jam qart\u00ebsisht p\u00ebr sistemin liberal dypartiak dhe p\u00ebr sistemin mazhoritar n\u00eb k\u00ebto rrethana ose pas k\u00ebsaj eksperience demokratike. Kam qen\u00eb dikur p\u00ebr sistemin proporcional p\u00ebr t\u00eb shp\u00ebrthyer pak spektrin politik, \u00ebsht\u00eb tem\u00eb e gjat\u00eb ky diskutim, k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb jam dakord p\u00ebr dy \u201ctepsi\u201d, jo n\u00eb kuptimin negativ t\u00eb fjal\u00ebs, madje duhet t\u00eb jem reaksionar fare n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb tez\u00eb. Ideja ime \u00ebsht\u00eb pak a shum\u00eb kjo, q\u00eb sistemi bipartizan ose dypartiak \u00ebsht\u00eb interes publik dhe interes komb\u00ebtar. Pa dy parti t\u00eb m\u00ebdha ne shp\u00ebrb\u00ebhemi si shoq\u00ebri. Imagjino q\u00eb t\u00eb ket\u00eb ndodhur nj\u00eb marr\u00ebveshje komb\u00ebtare me ndonj\u00eb parti t\u00eb vog\u00ebl, ose me ministrin e Jasht\u00ebm, ose q\u00eb vota t\u00eb varet nga k\u00ebto, madje do t\u00eb shkoj m\u00eb tutje n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb reaksionaritet. Un\u00eb mendoj q\u00eb PD-ja dhe PS-ja jan\u00eb mbi nivelin e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, Shqip\u00ebria \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb posht\u00eb se PD-ja dhe PS-ja. Do ta \u00e7oj m\u00eb tutje dhe ta thelloj plag\u00ebn? Partia Socialiste dhe Partia Demokratike kan\u00eb sakrifikuar shum\u00eb p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb, jo e kan\u00eb sakrifikuar Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb \u2026 (Nano qesh).. dhe e fundit, le t\u2019i japim sistemit bipartizan instrumentet e tij. Instrumenti i tij kryesor \u00ebsht\u00eb sistemi mazhoritar, i past\u00ebr, pa kompensime, pa forma t\u00eb tjera, q\u00eb t\u00eb zhvillojm\u00eb nj\u00eb luft\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb politike, sepse ashp\u00ebrsia ka kaluar dhe t\u00eb stabilizojm\u00eb spektrin politik. Establishmenti \u00ebsht\u00eb i keq, antiestablishmenti \u00ebsht\u00eb edhe m\u00eb i keq.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Te kjo dilema p\u00ebr t\u00eb zgjedhur sistemin mazhoritar apo proporcional, k\u00ebtu nuk diskutohet, edhe un\u00eb jam me iden\u00eb t\u00ebnde. Sistemi dypartiak m\u00eb p\u00eblqen shum\u00eb, anglosakson, anglez, pra britanik dhe amerikan, po kur vjen puna te vler\u00ebsimet e tua p\u00ebr aktor\u00ebt k\u00ebtu, a mund t\u00eb m\u00eb argumentosh pse thua q\u00eb PD-ja dhe PS-ja kan\u00eb sakrifikuar shum\u00eb p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb? \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb fraz\u00eb mjaft e fort\u00eb.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: P\u00ebr mua po, madje PD-ja dhe PS-ja kan\u00eb qen\u00eb q\u00eb nga fillimet krijime ose institucione q\u00eb kan\u00eb dal\u00eb mbi nivelin e shoq\u00ebris\u00eb dhe kan\u00eb qen\u00eb relativisht t\u00eb p\u00ebrgjegjshme.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po jo n\u00eb nivelin e elit\u00ebs, sido q\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Jo, jo. Elita tjet\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00ebn nivelit e elit\u00ebs politike, ne kemi elit\u00ebn politike m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb mundshme. Un\u00eb jam nga ata q\u00eb argumentoj gjer\u00eb e gjat\u00eb \u2026 Shikoj profesor\u00ebt n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, shikoj gazetar\u00ebt, intelektual\u00ebt, jan\u00eb n\u00ebn nivelin e politikan\u00ebve, m\u00eb vjen shum\u00eb keq. Kush \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebtu m\u00eb i zoti se Berisha? Do t\u00eb t\u00eb provokoj? Tjet\u00ebr gj\u00eb \u00e7\u2019ka b\u00ebr\u00eb dhe ka b\u00ebr\u00eb. Kush \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebtu m\u00eb i zoti se Rama?<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Si e mat zot\u00ebsin\u00eb, me \u00e7far\u00eb kriteresh?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili:<\/strong>\u00a0Po nuk ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi pra, n\u00eb polivalenc\u00ebn e vet, un\u00eb e kam n\u00eb t\u00ebr\u00ebsi. P\u00ebr shembull, e di ti q\u00eb partit\u00eb politike, qeverit\u00eb, kabinetet, parlamentet kan\u00eb rekrutuar forcat m\u00eb t\u00eb mira universitare q\u00eb nga viti \u201990 \u2026 grupi i profesor\u00ebve t\u00eb Mjek\u00ebsis\u00eb, t\u00eb Ekonomikut, t\u00eb Shkencave t\u00eb Natyr\u00ebs, t\u00eb Juridikut, apo t\u00eb Universitetit Bujq\u00ebsor? E di ti q\u00eb niveli yn\u00eb profesional i ministrave, kan\u00eb qen\u00eb absolutisht nga njer\u00ebzit m\u00eb t\u00eb zgjedhur? Pra n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb sens p\u00ebr mua Partia Socialiste dhe Partia Demokratike jan\u00eb mbi nivelin e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb. \u00c7do gj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb posht\u00eb.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Rama dhe Berisha, po t\u2019i marrim si entitete \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Po Nano, po Gramozi, po Rexhep Limani \u2026?<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Nj\u00eb njeri q\u00eb ka radh\u00ebn, kur ndalet p\u00ebrball\u00eb, dhe ka radh\u00ebn p\u00ebr ta gjykuar, ndalet te fakti q\u00eb ai ka b\u00ebr\u00eb nj\u00eb aleanc\u00eb le t\u00eb themi me gangot e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, me nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb nuk di \u00e7far\u00eb mund t\u00eb thuash p\u00ebr Ram\u00ebn \u2026 Ose \u00e7far\u00eb mund t\u00eb thuash p\u00ebr Berish\u00ebn q\u00eb del n\u00eb televizion dhe thot\u00eb: \u201cUn\u00eb jam me kanunin dhe n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se s\u2019do i vriste Garda do i vrisja un\u00eb\u201d?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: K\u00ebto jan\u00eb aberracione dhe nuk po them q\u00eb jan\u00eb njer\u00ebz t\u00eb p\u00ebrsosur, po jan\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00ebt e mundsh\u00ebm. N\u00eb vitin 2012 kam b\u00ebr\u00eb nj\u00eb debat te \u201cTop Story\u201d p\u00ebr nivelin e elit\u00ebs politike dhe konstatuam q\u00eb Berisha, q\u00eb ishte kryeminist\u00ebr, dhe Rama, q\u00eb pritej t\u00eb vinte kryeminist\u00ebr, n\u00eb 100-vjetorin e shtetit shqiptar, ishin ku e ku m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb, si profile evidente, se 70% e kryeministrave t\u00eb BE-s\u00eb. Kush ishte n\u00eb Itali? Bersani. Kush ishte n\u00eb Serbi \u2026? Madje na shkaktoi t\u00eb qeshura Ylli Rakipi se tha: \u201cDa\u00e7i\u00e7, Da\u00e7i\u00e7 \u00e7far\u00eb ka qen\u00eb? Nj\u00eb fotomodel brek\u00ebsh ka qen\u00eb\u201d. Kurse k\u00ebta kan\u00eb qen\u00eb profesor\u00eb t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn. Pra ne nuk duhet t\u00eb ankohemi p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. Elita politike na ka marr\u00eb forcat m\u00eb t\u00eb mira intelektuale t\u00eb vendit.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Vet\u00ebm se ti p\u00ebrdor si kriter inteligjenc\u00ebn individuale, mir\u00ebpo duhet t\u00eb marrim edhe kritere t\u00eb tjera, q\u00ebndrimin q\u00eb kan\u00eb k\u00ebta ndaj shtetit, ndaj moralit, ka edhe elemente t\u00eb tjera \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Ka shum\u00eb problematika, por ne nuk duhet t\u00eb harrojm\u00eb di\u00e7ka dhe m\u00eb vjen shum\u00eb keq q\u00eb ky relativizmi i mediave sociale dhe ky agresivitet i bot\u00ebs virtuale ka humbur \u00e7do sens reference. Tranzicioni shqiptar \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nga m\u00eb t\u00eb suksesshmit e Lindjes, nj\u00eb nga kat\u00ebr rastet m\u00eb t\u00eb suksesshme, \u00ebsht\u00eb me studime t\u00eb plota, t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme. Sepse duhet t\u00eb marrim referenc\u00ebn.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: N\u00eb terma ekonomik\u00eb?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: N\u00eb \u00e7do term.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po ne kemi qen\u00eb gati n\u00eb luft\u00eb civile, kemi pas zgjedhje, nuk kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb asnj\u00ebher\u00eb. Akoma zihemi p\u00ebr zgjedhje \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Patjet\u00ebr, por kemi dhe shum\u00eb arritje t\u00eb tjera. N\u00eb qoft\u00eb se do t\u00eb merrnim 7-8 kritere t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme se ku kemi qen\u00eb dhe ku jemi, \u00e7do paramet\u00ebr yni ka l\u00ebvizur midis 7 dhe 10 her\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb p\u00ebr 25 vjet. Do t\u00eb marrim GDP-n\u00eb, sipas t\u00eb gjitha vler\u00ebsimeve \u2026 po komunikimin, 3,4% e shqiptar\u00ebve kan\u00eb pasur nj\u00eb telefon, po rrug\u00ebt p\u00ebr t\u00eb udh\u00ebtuar, infrastruktura \u2026 se na duken sikur jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb tani, po ideja e l\u00ebvizjes, po shoq\u00ebria e konsumit. Nj\u00eb arkitekt shum\u00eb i njohur, Ben Bi\u00e7oku, m\u00eb ka th\u00ebn\u00eb q\u00eb nga pik\u00ebpamja e banesave, revolucioni n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri \u00ebsht\u00eb i jasht\u00ebzakonsh\u00ebm. Ne kemi qen\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb kufi kritik, 4-5 metra katror p\u00ebr banor, e gjitha kjo brenda nj\u00eb periudhe krejt\u00ebsisht t\u00eb shkurt\u00ebr nga 2005-a, mbi 15 metra katror\u00eb p\u00ebr banor. Pra jan\u00eb shum\u00eb parametra, t\u00eb cil\u00ebt b\u00ebjn\u00eb q\u00eb arritja jon\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb e jasht\u00ebzakonshme<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: T\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto q\u00eb the ti, le t\u00eb themi, p\u00ebrfshihen te diskutimi ekonomik. N\u00eb terma t\u00eb tjer\u00eb, p.sh. n\u00eb terma politik\u00eb, ne jemi turpi i Ballkanit. Ne akoma jemi \u2026 edhe me ato q\u00eb ndodhin sot, me k\u00ebto sherret midis pal\u00ebve. Meq\u00eb ra fjala, ti je dakord me djegien e mandateve?<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Po, jam dakord, si akti i fundit p\u00ebr ta shokuar sistemin, p\u00ebr ta djegur \u2026 Do ta zgjeroj vet\u00ebm me dy paragraf\u00eb, mund t\u00eb them pak a shum\u00eb \u00e7far\u00eb ka ndodhur dhe kush \u00ebsht\u00eb thelbi i ng\u00ebr\u00e7it aktual, si\u00e7 e shoh un\u00eb. Rrug\u00ebs, fitorja e ngusht\u00eb e 25 qershorit, se fitore e ngusht\u00eb ishte, me 4 deputet\u00eb, le \u00e7far\u00eb u blen\u00eb rrug\u00ebs dhe \u00e7far\u00eb mund t\u00eb blihen rrug\u00ebs, u b\u00eb e diskutueshme, u b\u00eb gjithnj\u00eb e m\u00eb e diskutueshme \u2026 edhe pse ndodhi kjo, edhe pse sistemi forma funksionoi, u firmos\u00ebn, u vulos\u00ebn ato mandate. Pse u b\u00eb e diskutueshme? \u00c7far\u00eb ndodhi? Partner\u00ebt p\u00ebrgjuan disa grupe kriminale, tre ose kat\u00ebr deri tani, dhe na doli nj\u00eb gj\u00eb e caktuar, t\u00eb cil\u00ebn ne nuk kemi nj\u00eb sistem drejt\u00ebsie funksionale q\u00eb t\u00eb themi se \u201ckjo \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebshtu\u201d ose \u201ckjo \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebshtu\u201d, \u201cka k\u00ebt\u00eb impakt ose k\u00ebt\u00eb impakt\u201d. At\u00ebher\u00eb \u00e7far\u00eb ndodh? Cila \u00ebsht\u00eb e keqja q\u00eb pal\u00ebt t\u00eb ritestohen n\u00eb kushte neutrale? \u00c7\u2019do t\u00eb thot\u00eb kushte neutrale? K\u00ebtu do t\u00eb b\u00ebj nj\u00eb n\u00ebnvizim. Si funksionon n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri teknologjia elektorale ose industria elektorale? Le ta themi hapur, e dim\u00eb dhe e njohim dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb objekt. Funksionon n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb till\u00eb q\u00eb, na ka ardhur n\u00eb maj\u00eb t\u00eb hund\u00ebs, \u00ebsht\u00eb 20 \u2013 25 vjet i nj\u00ebjti diskutim: implikimi i administrat\u00ebs, nd\u00ebrmarrjet publike q\u00eb punojn\u00eb me k\u00ebt\u00eb, shfryt\u00ebzimi i pozicionit, fushatat e legalizimeve, \u00e7\u2019jan\u00eb k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra p\u00ebr t\u00eb fituar votat, populizmi \u2026 dhe erdh\u00ebm te dy dukurit\u00eb e fundit, lidhjet e qarta me krimin deri te kandidat\u00ebt zyrtar\u00eb n\u00eb zgjedhje. Ne duhet ta l\u00ebm\u00eb pas k\u00ebt\u00eb periudh\u00eb dhe kemi nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr nj\u00eb periudh\u00eb \u201ctampon\u201d. Po sikur kjo t\u00eb mos mjaftonte, pra kjo origjin\u00eb e pushtetit aktual, ose kjo m\u00ebnyr\u00eb, kjo diskutueshm\u00ebri e fitores s\u00eb 25-qershorit dhe e mandatit t\u00eb dyt\u00eb, kjo nuk po ec\u00ebn. Ne nuk po b\u00ebjm\u00eb asnj\u00eb hap n\u00eb integrim. Kemi gjasht\u00eb vjet q\u00eb s\u2019kemi asnj\u00eb hap esencial. \u00c7far\u00eb do t\u00eb themi n\u00eb qershor n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se do t\u00eb refuzohemi prap\u00eb \u2026 hapja e negociatave.<\/p>\n S\u00eb pari, ne nj\u00ebher\u00eb nuk vuajm\u00eb nga zgjedhjet e parakohshme t\u00eb shpeshta, sepse kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb her\u00eb zgjedhje t\u00eb parakohshme, n\u00eb \u201897-n, n\u00eb kulmin e arm\u00ebve. Pra nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb instrument me t\u00eb cilin \u00ebsht\u00eb abuzuar. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb instrument i pap\u00ebrdorur, jo i shp\u00ebrdoruar.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Zgjedhje t\u00eb parakohshme \u2026 \u00e7far\u00eb thot\u00eb teoria, kur b\u00ebhen? B\u00ebhen kur do kryeministri, b\u00ebhen kur n\u00eb parlament nuk ka nj\u00eb mazhoranc\u00eb, nuk mund t\u00eb b\u00ebhen kur opozita do t\u00eb dor\u00ebzoj\u00eb mandatet.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Un\u00eb po t\u00eb ftoj ta lexojm\u00eb situat\u00ebn m\u00eb gjer\u00eb,\u00a0stricto senso,<\/em>\u00a0k\u00ebshtu \u00ebsht\u00eb. Elementi i dyt\u00eb \u2026 pra qeverisja nuk po funksionon, biem dakord, kjo nuk po na ec\u00ebn, nuk po \u201ce kalon dogan\u00ebn\u201d, \u00ebsht\u00eb e konfirmuar. Kemi ecur n\u00eb integrim? Jo, ky \u00ebsht\u00eb certifikimi yn\u00eb. Tani vijm\u00eb te nj\u00eb element tjet\u00ebr. Ka tri m\u00ebnyra sesi ne mund t\u2019u qasemi situatave: me an\u00eb t\u00eb profilaksis\u00eb, me an\u00eb t\u00eb terapis\u00eb ose t\u00eb shokut. Lul Basha ka zgjedhur shokun, ta shokoj\u00eb sistemin politik. Jemi brenda demokracis\u00eb akoma, nuk jemi n\u00eb nj\u00eb gj\u00eb jodemokratike. Tani ka dhe dy spekulime t\u00eb tjera, q\u00eb m\u00eb vjen jasht\u00ebzakonisht keq q\u00eb \u2026 ne q\u00eb kemi kujtes\u00eb t\u00eb gjat\u00eb, i b\u00ebjm\u00eb. Ky nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb precedent i par\u00eb, ky \u00ebsht\u00eb precedent i dyt\u00eb. Djegia e mandatave \u00ebsht\u00eb precedenti i dyt\u00eb. Djegia e mandatave q\u00eb b\u00ebri opozita n\u00eb zgjedhjet e 26 majit, pavar\u00ebsisht nga rrethanat, nga simptomat, n\u00eb thelb \u00ebsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb, i dogji mandatet n\u00eb dit\u00ebn zero t\u00eb mandatit t\u00eb dyt\u00eb t\u00eb dyt\u00eb t\u00eb Berish\u00ebs.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Jo, s\u2019i mori fare \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Okej, \u00ebsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb si t\u00eb mos i marr\u00ebsh dhe t\u2019i djeg\u00ebsh \u2026 dhe t\u2019i djeg\u00ebsh mandatet n\u00eb dit\u00ebn e 500, \u00ebsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb \u2026 kur kan\u00eb dal\u00eb disa prova t\u00eb reja. Por, bashkuar gjith\u00eb k\u00ebto rrethana, shto dhe nj\u00eb rrethan\u00eb tjet\u00ebr; ne jemi n\u00eb nj\u00eb situat\u00eb ku nuk kemi nj\u00eb sistem drejt\u00ebsie. E kishim t\u00eb keq, tani nuk e kemi. Ne nuk e kemi nj\u00eb mund\u00ebsi q\u00eb t\u00eb verifikojm\u00eb di\u00e7ka, se v\u00ebrtet ndodh nj\u00eb spekulim elektoral n\u00eb Amerik\u00eb dhe kudo, po ka nj\u00eb sistem q\u00eb t\u00eb thot\u00eb \u201cpo\u201d ose \u201cjo\u201d. Shoh dhe p\u00ebr arsyen, p\u00ebr ta l\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb paimpaktuar rolin e qeveris\u00eb n\u00eb reform\u00ebn e drejt\u00ebsis\u00eb, ne na duhet nj\u00eb qeveri tranzitore, nj\u00eb periudh\u00eb tranzitore. Un\u00eb do t\u00eb p\u00ebrmend dy shembuj. N\u00eb ligj thuhet q\u00eb an\u00ebtar\u00eb t\u00eb KED-s\u00eb apo KLD-s\u00eb jan\u00eb vet\u00ebm magjistrat\u00eb. Kemi sot nj\u00eb njeri t\u00eb nderuar, q\u00eb nuk e di pse e ka pranuar k\u00ebt\u00eb post, i cili nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb magjistrat dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb an\u00ebtar i KLD-s\u00eb. Ku do ta gjejm\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb verifikim, ku do ta \u00e7ojm\u00eb? Kemi rastin e zonj\u00ebs Prela, q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb i diskutuar. P\u00ebr t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtin precedent, nj\u00eb gjykat\u00ebs seleksionohet, nj\u00eb gjykat\u00ebs nuk seleksionohet. Un\u00eb nuk dua t\u2019u jap jehon\u00eb spekulimeve t\u00eb opozit\u00ebs, por n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se vazhdohet k\u00ebshtu, nj\u00ebra mazhoranc\u00eb do ta impaktoj\u00eb, madje mundet ta impaktoj\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm reform\u00ebn n\u00eb drejt\u00ebsi. Pra po e p\u00ebrmblodh: p\u00ebr t\u00eb mos impaktuar reform\u00ebn n\u00eb drejt\u00ebsi, p\u00ebr t\u00eb depolitizuar shtetin dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb krijuar nj\u00eb mjedis neutral, si dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb mbyllur 4-5 reforma p\u00ebr integrimin na duhet t\u00eb kalojm\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb qeveri tranzitore nj\u00ebvje\u00e7are, t\u00eb kryejm\u00eb disa detyra, t\u00eb neutralizojm\u00eb shtetin, pal\u00ebt t\u00eb ritestohen dhe nj\u00eb her\u00eb. Pse \u00ebsht\u00eb kaq e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb?<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Ta fillojm\u00eb nga kjo, pse \u00ebsht\u00eb kaq e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb. Me nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb, kushdo q\u00eb do t\u00eb ishte n\u00eb qeveri, do ta kishte tmerr\u00ebsisht t\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebnte zgjedhje t\u00eb parakohshme n\u00ebn ultimatumin e pal\u00ebs tjet\u00ebr. Sepse, n.q.s. futesh n\u00eb zgjedhje me ultimatumin e pal\u00ebs tjet\u00ebr, ti futesh i humbur qysh n\u00eb start dhe nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb asnj\u00eb budalla kryeminist\u00ebr \u2026 E dyta, t\u00eb b\u00ebj dhe nj\u00eb arsyetim q\u00eb un\u00eb e kam b\u00ebr\u00eb dhe her\u00eb tjet\u00ebr, k\u00ebtu ekziston problem i zgjedhjeve n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, ka 30 vjet q\u00eb ekziston, \u00ebsht\u00eb problem i vjet\u00ebr. Shitja dhe blerja e votave ekziston prej koh\u00ebsh. Madje un\u00eb kam sjell\u00eb edhe nj\u00eb shembull \u2026 k\u00ebtu ne kemi zgjedhur nj\u00eb president t\u00eb republik\u00ebs duke bler\u00eb vota, n\u00eb parlament.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: N\u00eb 2007-n \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Dhe e ka b\u00ebr\u00eb partia e Bash\u00ebs. Un\u00eb do t\u00eb doja Bash\u00ebn, i cili gjithashtu u b\u00eb kryetar bashkie me nj\u00eb \u2026 vodh\u00ebn, vodh\u00ebn postin, nj\u00eb post shum\u00eb i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm, m\u00eb i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishmi bashk\u00eb me kryeministrin, \u2026 dhe ka qen\u00eb Basha. Un\u00eb do t\u00eb doja q\u00eb Basha t\u00eb dilte t\u00eb thoshte \u201cpo un\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00a0mea culpa<\/em>\u00a0t\u00eb madhe historike, mbaj p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebsi n\u00eb vet\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb ka ndodhur edhe prej meje, edhe p\u00ebr shkakun tim, lidhur me zgjedhjet, dhe un\u00eb k\u00ebrkoj nga kryeministri t\u00eb ulemi bashk\u00eb dhe ta zgjidhim k\u00ebt\u00eb problem\u201d.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Lul Basha \u00ebsht\u00eb i vonuar n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb, jo duhet ta b\u00ebj\u00eb, po \u00ebsht\u00eb i vonuar, q\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb i besuesh\u00ebm p\u00ebr \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Epo Berisha dhe Basha edhe p\u00ebrqafojn\u00eb kauz\u00ebn e zgjedhjeve t\u00eb reja pa b\u00ebr\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb\u00a0mea culpa<\/em>, nuk ka tani \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb keqkuptimi. Tani, ti shqisim k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb q\u00ebllim i opozit\u00ebs p\u00ebr t\u00eb ardhur n\u00eb pushtet dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb krijuar avantazh, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb q\u00ebllim i opozit\u00ebs, hipotetik, p\u00ebr t\u00eb penguar reform\u00ebn n\u00eb drejt\u00ebsi, edhe pse nuk e di si mund ta pengoj\u00eb tani, sepse s\u2019ka mandate, s\u2019ka m\u00eb asnj\u00eb rol, po \u00ebsht\u00eb dhe nj\u00eb segment i drejt\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb krijuar edhe nj\u00eb her\u00eb rrethanat p\u00ebr nj\u00eb testim neutral t\u00eb plot\u00eb, t\u00eb past\u00ebr elektoral, ose sa m\u00eb t\u00eb past\u00ebr t\u00eb mundsh\u00ebm, ose duksh\u00ebm m\u00eb t\u00eb past\u00ebr se k\u00ebto q\u00eb kemi pasur k\u00ebta 30 vjet.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Okej, un\u00eb jam dakord q\u00eb Rama t\u00eb bjer\u00eb, sepse po qeveris keq, po jo sepse \u00ebsht\u00eb ilegjitim \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: \u00cbsht\u00eb edhe nj\u00eb diskutim tjet\u00ebr. Shiko Mu\u00e7i, t\u00eb b\u00ebj nj\u00eb pyetje: \u00c7far\u00eb pik\u00ebpamje ke pasur ti p\u00ebr parimin \u201chap kutit\u00eb dhe largohu\u201d, p\u00ebr kauz\u00ebn e opozit\u00ebs 2009 \u2013 2013?<\/p>\n Nano: Isha okej, t\u00eb hapeshin \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Perfekte. \u00cbsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb. N\u00eb vitin 2009 Berisha doli dhe tha: \u201cProcesi juridik \u00ebsht\u00eb i fundm\u00eb, ankimet mbaruan, kolegji zgjedhor vendosi k\u00ebshtu. Nuk i hap fare kutit\u00eb se u mbyll\u201d, madje dhe i dogji \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po, dhe un\u00eb n\u00eb fund kam th\u00ebn\u00eb: \u201cBerisha po sillet sipas ligjit\u201d. Un\u00eb e kam th\u00ebn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb gj\u00eb \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: \u00c7far\u00eb po ndodh sot? Edi Rama po thot\u00eb: Kan\u00eb firmosur 35 mij\u00eb komisioner\u00eb, ka marr\u00eb vendim KQZ-ja, me shumic\u00ebn tuaj, madje 4 me 3, ka vendosur Kolegji Zgjedhor, \u00ebsht\u00eb mbyllur kjo tem\u00eb. Po ne jemi k\u00ebtu p\u00ebr m\u00eb shum\u00eb se juridiken, ne jemi p\u00ebr politiken. Plus, n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se nj\u00eb prov\u00eb del m\u00eb von\u00eb se nj\u00eb vendim i b\u00ebr\u00eb, kjo prov\u00eb merret dhe shqyrtohet. Ore \u201cka pasur impakt apo jo\u201d? Kush ta b\u00ebj\u00eb? Pse nuk e b\u00ebn prokuroria sot? Dhe nuk mund ta b\u00ebj\u00eb, jo vet\u00ebm s\u2019e b\u00ebn, po nuk e b\u00ebn dot n\u00eb k\u00ebto rrethana. At\u00ebher\u00eb, p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebto arsye, p\u00ebr t\u00eb mbyllur 4-5 reforma t\u00eb m\u00ebdha, p\u00ebr nj\u00eb depolitizim shteti \u2026 t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn t\u00eb bashkohemi te forma, pra t\u2019i japim opozit\u00ebs hakun q\u00eb i takon. Opozita ka t\u00eb drejt\u00eb q\u00eb k\u00ebrkon nj\u00eb gar\u00eb neutrale. Ajo mund t\u2019i humb\u00eb ato zgjedhje neutrale, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb tem\u00eb komplet tjet\u00ebr, por ka t\u00eb drejt\u00eb q\u00eb k\u00ebrkon nj\u00eb gj\u00eb neutrale. Megjithat\u00eb, do t\u00eb v\u00ebm\u00eb nj\u00eb bast bashk\u00eb. N\u00eb qoft\u00eb se hapet statusi, pra hapen negociatat, un\u00eb do t\u00eb thosha se kjo qeverisje kalon nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtarisht, t\u00eb vazhdoj\u00eb. Por n\u00eb qoft\u00eb se nuk hapen \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Po s\u2019\u00ebsht\u00eb ky kriteri, edhe t\u00eb hapen, gjendja ekonomike \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e keqe.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Po, po e z\u00ebm\u00eb se e p\u00ebrfundon mandatin, opozita t\u00eb p\u00ebrmir\u00ebsohet etj., etj., se ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb sistem q\u00eb kalon \u2026 po ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb sistem q\u00eb nuk kalon m\u00eb \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb lloj diskutimi un\u00eb jam dakord dhe jam me ty. Mbi baz\u00ebn e k\u00ebtij diskutimi Rama duhet t\u00eb rr\u00ebzohet edhe t\u00eb ik\u00eb, po jo sepse Basha do zgjedhje t\u00eb reja, se kjo m\u00eb duket mua \u2026<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Jo, fare p\u00ebr Bash\u00ebn, por p\u00ebr t\u00eb drejt\u00ebn e shqiptar\u00ebve, p\u00ebr nj\u00eb testim neutral dhe t\u00eb sakt\u00eb. Pastaj vijm\u00eb te p\u00ebrmbajtja. Rama \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb mizerabilitet politik. \u00c7far\u00eb ka ndodhur? Ka braktisur \u00e7do ambicie p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb di\u00e7ka, me kosto, dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb kapur pas mbajtjes s\u00eb pushtetit. Nj\u00eb grev\u00eb, nj\u00eb protest\u00eb \u2026 anulon koncesionet, anulon k\u00ebto \u2026 At\u00ebher\u00eb b\u00ebj nj\u00eb koncesion t\u00eb mir\u00eb, mos e anulo, b\u00ebj nj\u00eb koncesion t\u00eb past\u00ebr, pse duhet ta anulosh. Pra, Rama \u00ebsht\u00eb duke marr\u00eb tiparet e nj\u00eb populisti me tipar punist. Dhe ky \u00ebsht\u00eb fenomeni, Europa \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb pre e populizmit \u2026<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Dhe Rama duhet rr\u00ebzuar me zgjedhje, mund t\u00eb rr\u00ebzohet me zgjedhje, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb teza ime, dhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb tez\u00eb liberale.<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Jam totalisht dakord. P\u00ebr mua cikli reformist i Ram\u00ebs ka p\u00ebrfunduar, t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn nga kjo vij\u00eb e k\u00ebtej, Rama \u00ebsht\u00eb duke b\u00ebr\u00eb \u00e7do gj\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb ndenjur n\u00eb pushtet, por jo p\u00ebr t\u00eb qeverisur. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb qeverisje sondazhesh, nj\u00eb qeverisje p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur mazhoranc\u00ebn dhe jo nj\u00eb qeverisje bindjesh. Ne e dim\u00eb q\u00eb lider t\u00eb m\u00ebdhenj jan\u00eb ata q\u00eb kan\u00eb qeverisje bindjesh apo jo. Un\u00eb e besoj k\u00ebt\u00eb gj\u00eb. Le t\u00eb m\u00eb rr\u00ebzoj\u00eb greva e student\u00ebve, un\u00eb e besoj X reform\u00eb, le t\u00eb m\u00eb rr\u00ebzoj\u00eb greva e Kuk\u00ebsit, un\u00eb e besoj strategjin\u00eb time p\u00ebr menaxhimin e rrug\u00ebve, le t\u00eb m\u00eb rr\u00ebzoj\u00eb nj\u00eb X l\u00ebvizje tjet\u00ebr, k\u00ebtu jemi n\u00eb nj\u00eb populiz\u00ebm t\u00eb papar\u00eb. Ky ishte dhe thelbi i ides\u00eb ose provokimit q\u00eb m\u00eb ka shkaktuar situata p\u00ebr t\u00eb dal\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb projekt, me nj\u00eb gazet\u00eb t\u00eb past\u00ebr dhe t\u00eb qart\u00eb, gazeta \u201cLiberale\u201d, dhe me projektin e Institutit \u201cPashko\u201d p\u00ebr nj\u00eb rezistenc\u00eb liberale n\u00eb qytet. Qyteti ka nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr rezistenc\u00eb liberale, sepse na mbyti punizmi.<\/p>\n Nano<\/strong>: Kjo ishte biseda q\u00eb un\u00eb pata me Henri \u00c7ilin n\u00eb \u201cProvokacija\u201d, e kisha p\u00ebr her\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebtu. Shum\u00eb faleminderit dhe t\u00eb uroj suksese me gazet\u00ebn e re, \u201cLiberale\u201d, n\u00eb t\u00eb cil\u00ebn un\u00eb do t\u00eb shkruaj shkrimet q\u00eb b\u00ebj zakonisht!<\/p>\n \u00c7ili<\/strong>: Mu\u00e7i, faleminderit dhe komplimente edhe ti \u2026 Bukur p\u00ebr emisionin, p\u00ebr formatin e tret\u00eb t\u00eb emisionit, q\u00eb duket sikur \u00ebsht\u00eb e nj\u00ebjta gj\u00eb, por prap\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb risi, dhe komplimente p\u00ebr plot\u00ebsimin e profilit t\u00ebnd publik!<\/p>\n <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" P\u00ebr analistin Henri \u00c7ili, dy partit\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdha n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, PD dhe PS, jan\u00eb mbi nivelin e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb. I ftuar n\u00eb emisionin \u201cProvokacija\u201d, \u00c7ili tha gjithashtu se k\u00ebto parti kan\u00eb sakrifikuar shum\u00eb p\u00ebr vendin. Nano: \u00cbsht\u00eb rishfaqur n\u00eb jet\u00ebn publike shqiptari, personazhi q\u00eb kishte humbur nga syt\u00eb, kishte m\u00eb shum\u00eb se 10 vjet, Henri […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5614,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[23,14,15,21],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"\n