{"id":12459,"date":"2019-05-26T22:31:11","date_gmt":"2019-05-26T20:31:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/redaktori.com\/?p=12459"},"modified":"2019-05-26T22:31:11","modified_gmt":"2019-05-26T20:31:11","slug":"mario-vargas-llosa-kam-nje-enderr-te-vdes-duke-shkruar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redaktori.com\/?p=12459","title":{"rendered":"Mario Vargas Llosa, kam nj\u00eb \u00ebnd\u00ebrr: T\u00eb vdes duke shkruar"},"content":{"rendered":"

Nj\u00eb jet\u00eb si nj\u00eb seri n\u00eb Netflix: bart\u00ebsi i \u00e7mimit Nobel p\u00ebr let\u00ebrsi Mario Vargas Llosa dikur ka qen\u00eb komunist, pastaj simpatizant i Margret Thatcher. Tani \u00ebsht\u00eb kund\u00ebrshtar i t\u00eb djatht\u00ebve dhe partnerja e tij e re po ndiqet nga paparacit. [Intervist\u00eb dh\u00ebn\u00eb revist\u00ebs zvicerane Das Magazin].
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Nga\u00a0Jan Christoph Wiechmann<\/strong><\/div>\n

Mario Vargas Llosa jeton pas mureve t\u00eb larta n\u00eb nj\u00eb lagje pasanik\u00ebsh n\u00eb veri t\u00eb Madridit. Fqinj t\u00eb tij jan\u00eb ambasador\u00ebt e Kuvajtit, Algjeris\u00eb dhe Venezuel\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

Hapet nj\u00eb port\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00eb, nj\u00eb roje hap der\u00ebn e vil\u00ebs s\u00eb madhe dhe na prin drejt bibliotek\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

N\u00eb dysheme nj\u00eb qilim persian, n\u00eb dritare perde t\u00eb gjelbra kadifeje, n\u00eb tavolin\u00ebn e divanit nj\u00eb ark\u00eb druri me puro. Mbi oxhak q\u00ebndron e varur nj\u00eb piktur\u00eb n\u00eb vaj, e cila paraqet partneren e Vargas Llosas, Isabel Preysler, e cila rrjedh nga Filipinet dhe quhet \u00abla perla de Manila\u00bb. Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb ish-gruaja e Julio Iglesias, Enrique Iglesias \u00ebsht\u00eb djali i saj.<\/p>\n

Peruani Mario Vargas Llosa (83) \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00ebri nga shkrimtar\u00ebt m\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm t\u00eb gjall\u00eb, nd\u00ebr veprat m\u00eb t\u00eb njohura t\u00eb tij jan\u00eb \u00abSht\u00ebpia e gjelb\u00ebr\u00bb, \u00abTezja Julia dhe shkrimtari\u00bb dhe \u00abFesta e cjapit\u00bb; m\u00eb 2010 mori \u00e7mimin Nobel p\u00ebr Let\u00ebrsi. Libri i tij m\u00eb i ri \u00abThirrja e hordhive\u00bb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb autobiografi intelektuale e tij.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Zoti Vargas Llosa, nj\u00ebher\u00eb keni th\u00ebn\u00eb se n\u00ebse nuk do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb shkruani, do t\u2019ia shkrepnit vetes nj\u00eb plumb n\u00eb kok\u00eb.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrteta e plot\u00eb. N\u00ebse nuk do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb shkruaja, moti do e kisha vrar\u00eb veten.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Shkruani ende me t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtin pasion?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Gjithmon\u00eb. T\u00eb shkruash \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb e jet\u00ebs. Jeta ime sillet rreth pun\u00ebs sime si shkrimtar. Hulumtoj shum\u00eb, p\u00ebrher\u00eb \u2013 jo patjet\u00ebr p\u00ebr t\u00eb pasqaruar t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00ebn historike, k\u00ebtu i lejoj vetes shum\u00eb liri, por q\u00eb t\u00eb kem mund\u00ebsi t\u00eb identifikohem me epok\u00ebn dhe me karakteret.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Philipp Roth ka th\u00ebn\u00eb se n\u00eb mosh\u00eb t\u00eb shtyr\u00eb s\u2019kishte p\u00ebr \u00e7far\u00eb t\u00eb shkruante m\u00eb.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Un\u00eb jam ndryshe. Do t\u00eb vdisja n\u00ebse nuk do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb jet\u00ebsoja s\u00eb paku nj\u00eb t\u00eb dhjet\u00ebn e projekteve letrare q\u00eb i kam n\u00eb kok\u00eb. K\u00ebto jan\u00eb edhe s\u00eb paku dhjet\u00eb libra.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju jeni i mbijetuari i fundit i gjenerat\u00ebs s\u00eb shkrimtar\u00ebve t\u00eb m\u00ebdhenj latinoamerikan\u00eb.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, gjenerata \u00abBoom\u00bb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Gabriel Garc\u00eda M\u00e1rquez nga Kolumbia, Jos\u00e9 Donoso nga Kili, Julio Cort\u00e1zar nga Argjentina, Carlos Fuentes nga Meksika.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb privilegj t\u00eb jesh i mbijetuari i fundit, por ashtu \u00ebsht\u00eb. Shum\u00eb miq kan\u00eb vdekur.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju mungojn\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Le t\u00eb themi k\u00ebshtu: ishte nj\u00eb koh\u00eb e bukur, nj\u00eb epok\u00eb, kur Europa, SHBA-t\u00eb, madje mbar\u00eb bota zbuloi let\u00ebrsin\u00eb e Amerik\u00ebs Latine. N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb ajo ka ekzistuar q\u00ebmoti, por ka qen\u00eb e mbyllur. Nuk e braktiste Amerik\u00ebn Latine. Befas, nga fundi i viteve \u201950, fillimi i viteve \u201960, ndodhi zbulimi i let\u00ebrsis\u00eb latinoamerikane. Edhe Amerika Latine filloi t\u2019i rizbuloj\u00eb dhe lexoj\u00eb autor\u00ebt e vet si p\u00ebr shembull Jorge Borges.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7far\u00eb mendoni kur thoni: Amerika Latine filloi t\u2019i lexoj\u00eb autor\u00ebt e vet?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Zbuluam se kemi nj\u00eb identitet t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt latinoamerikan. Kur jetoja n\u00eb Peru, nuk njihja asnj\u00eb autor n\u00eb Kolumbi, Ekuador, Kili, p\u00ebrve\u00e7 ndoshta Pablo Nerud\u00ebs. Nuk kishim haber se \u00e7ka dometh\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb jesh latinoamerikan. P\u00ebr her\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb jam ndier i till\u00eb kur jetoja n\u00eb Paris. Atje fillova t\u00eb lexoj\u00eb let\u00ebrsi latinoamerikane. Ishte inspiruese t\u00eb shoh\u00ebsh: ne q\u00eb rrjedhim nga Meksika, Argjentina, Peruja kemi rr\u00ebnj\u00ebt e ngjashme.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Por juve nuk ju mungon \u00abGabo\u00bb, Gabriel Garc\u00eda M\u00e1rquez?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Miq\u00ebsia jon\u00eb mori fund p\u00ebr shkak t\u00eb mospajtimeve politike. Aty filluan ndarjet, grindjet. Por e v\u00ebrteta \u00ebsht\u00eb kjo: ka ekzistuar p\u00ebrher\u00eb nj\u00eb miq\u00ebsi q\u00eb i mbijetonte k\u00ebto mospajtime politike.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Cil\u00ebt jan\u00eb z\u00ebrat e rinj t\u00eb let\u00ebrsis\u00eb s\u00eb Amerik\u00ebs Latine?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: P\u00ebr shembull peruani Alonso Cueto. Ai \u00ebsht\u00eb autori shum\u00eb interesant, por edhe reprezentativ, sepse ai, si shum\u00eb shkrimtar\u00eb latinoamerikan\u00eb, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb provincial. T\u00eb rinjt\u00eb nuk kufizohen m\u00eb n\u00eb vendin e tyre. Kjo i ka sjell\u00eb let\u00ebrsis\u00eb latinoamerikane nj\u00eb horizont shum\u00eb m\u00eb nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtar. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e kund\u00ebrta me jet\u00ebn politike, e cila ka mbetur e kufizuar si\u00e7 ka qen\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7far\u00eb po lexoni momentalisht?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: I lexoj klasik\u00ebt, vazhdimisht. N\u00eb mosh\u00ebn time t\u00eb shtyr\u00eb i lexoj ata q\u00eb m\u00eb kan\u00eb iluminuar: Flaubert, Faulkner, madje edhe Sartre, prej t\u00eb cilit jam distancuar, por ka ekzistuar nj\u00eb koh\u00eb kur Sartre kishte shum\u00eb ndikim ndaj meje. Sot kemi qasje ndaj shum\u00eb shkrimtar\u00ebve interesant\u00eb, n\u00eb t\u00eb gjitha vendet, at\u00ebher\u00eb nuk e kemi pasur k\u00ebt\u00eb mund\u00ebsi. Numri i shkrimtar\u00ebve t\u00eb rinj \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00ebfishuar, andaj \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb t\u2019i p\u00ebrcjellim t\u00eb gjith\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Sartre ka th\u00ebn\u00eb se shkrimtari mund t\u00eb ndikoj\u00eb ndaj historis\u00eb. A ia keni arritur ju?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb t\u00eb matet. Por besoj se let\u00ebrsia ndikon ndaj njer\u00ebzve dhe ka impakt politik. Pa dyshim.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Edhe sot?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb jam i bindur. Por n\u00eb jet\u00ebn moderne kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb. Let\u00ebrsia \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb dyt\u00ebsore \u2013 muzika, filmi, interneti kan\u00eb ndikim m\u00eb t\u00eb madh. Let\u00ebrsia \u00ebsht\u00eb shtyr\u00eb n\u00eb qoshe. P\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq sot idet\u00eb jan\u00eb m\u00eb pak t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme se pamjet. Ne kemi nj\u00eb kultur\u00eb t\u00eb ekranit.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A \u00ebsht\u00eb kjo mir\u00eb apo keq?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri e lexuesve \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e lir\u00eb dhe m\u00eb kritike. Efekti i let\u00ebrsis\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u2019i b\u00ebj\u00eb njer\u00ebzit krijesa kritike. Nj\u00eb popull q\u00eb nuk lexon manipulohet shum\u00eb m\u00eb leht\u00eb. Lexuesit e mir\u00eb jan\u00eb rebel\u00eb, n\u00eb kuptimin politik, fetar, seksual. Let\u00ebrsia nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb vet\u00ebm arg\u00ebtim. E qart\u00eb, t\u00eb lexosh Shakespeare \u00ebsht\u00eb zbavit\u00ebse, Cervantes, Goethe, Thomas Mann, t\u00eb mrekulluesh\u00ebm. Por p\u00ebrtej k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsis\u00eb ne p\u00ebrfitojm\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb: iden\u00eb se krahas jet\u00ebs son\u00eb ka edhe jet\u00eb t\u00eb tjera, t\u00eb cilat jan\u00eb m\u00eb intensive, m\u00eb t\u00eb begatshme. Kjo krijon brenda nesh nj\u00eb lloj rebelizmi ndaj realitetit.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A jeni ju rebel?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Besoj se po. Sepse jam lexues i uritur. Besoj se let\u00ebrsia e mir\u00eb i b\u00ebn lexuesit kritik\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb bot\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Paskeni nj\u00eb dhom\u00eb madh\u00ebshtore t\u00eb pun\u00ebs. A keni rregulluar vet\u00eb?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Jo. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb t\u00eb shpjegohet\u2026 \u00cbsht\u00eb dhoma ime e pun\u00ebs, por i takonte ish-burrit t\u00eb gruas sime. Ai ka qen\u00eb minist\u00ebr i ekonomis\u00eb n\u00ebn kryeministrin Felipe Gonz\u00e1lez.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Por librat jan\u00eb tuajat?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Jo, krejt k\u00ebto libra jan\u00eb t\u00eb tij. Ai ka qen\u00eb intelektual. K\u00ebtu keni nj\u00eb mur t\u00eb t\u00ebr\u00eb me libra p\u00ebr astronomin\u00eb, atje p\u00ebr matematik\u00ebn, atje p\u00ebrpara ciceron\u00eb turistik\u00eb \u2013 dhe nj\u00eb mur i t\u00ebr\u00eb mbi Egjiptin e lasht\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ku gjenden librat tuaja?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: N\u00eb banes\u00ebn time, k\u00ebtu af\u00ebr.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Jeni 83-vje\u00e7ar. E kujtoni shpesh t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebn?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Disa epoka t\u00eb caktuara dhe ngjarje i kujtoj me nostalgji, por nuk jetoj n\u00eb t\u00eb kaluar\u00ebn, fare dhe aspak. E dua shum\u00eb t\u00eb tashmen, shpesh me mendime futem n\u00eb t\u00eb ardhmen. Hombre, mosha i b\u00ebn njer\u00ebzit m\u00eb t\u00eb men\u00e7ur, m\u00ebson t\u00eb dallosh \u00e7ka \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme dhe \u00e7ka jo, \u00e7ka \u00ebsht\u00eb e thell\u00eb dhe \u00e7ka \u00ebsht\u00eb sip\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsore. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb thesari i neve pleqve.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Cili \u00ebsht\u00eb suksesi juaj m\u00eb i madh si shkrimtar?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Q\u00eb un\u00eb shkruaj. E kam zgjedhur k\u00ebt\u00eb profesion kur ka qen\u00eb shum\u00eb v\u00ebshtir\u00eb. At\u00ebbot\u00eb kush kishte vokacion letrar, d\u00ebbohej diku n\u00eb periferi t\u00eb shoq\u00ebris\u00eb. Ishte e pashpres\u00eb t\u00eb jetoje nga t\u00eb shkruarit. As q\u00eb mund t\u00eb merrej me mend. Babai im u alarmua tej mase kur zbuloi se po shkruaja poezi.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Babai juaj ju ka rrahur. Dhe ju ka d\u00ebrguar n\u00eb Akademin\u00eb Ushtarake p\u00ebr t\u2019ua flakur tej d\u00ebshir\u00ebn p\u00ebr t\u00eb shkruar. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb materiali i romanit tuaj t\u00eb par\u00eb.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Atij ia merrte mendja se shkrimi \u00ebsht\u00eb bileta e sigurt drejt d\u00ebshtimit. T\u00eb mos fitosh kurr\u00eb para, t\u00eb b\u00ebsh jet\u00eb bohemi \u2013 k\u00ebshtu e shihte babai im jet\u00ebn e shkrimtarit. Sot t\u00eb rinjt\u00eb q\u00eb duan t\u00eb shkruajn\u00eb e kan\u00eb shum\u00eb m\u00eb leht\u00eb. N\u00eb koh\u00ebn time t\u00eb shkruarit ka qen\u00eb di\u00e7ka p\u00ebr avokat\u00eb, arsimtar\u00eb apo profesor\u00eb gjat\u00eb dit\u00ebs s\u00eb diele. Askush nuk ia kushtonte jet\u00ebn e tij shkrimit.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7\u2019r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi ka p\u00ebr ju \u00e7mimi Nobel?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Hombre, \u00e7mimi Nobel \u00ebsht\u00eb lotari. Disa q\u00eb e kan\u00eb fituar, e kan\u00eb merituar. T\u00eb tjer\u00ebt q\u00eb e kan\u00eb merituar, nuk e kan\u00eb marr\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A keni p\u00ebsuar humbje gjat\u00eb jet\u00ebs suaj?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Gjithsesi, shum\u00eb d\u00ebshtime, shum\u00eb gabime, shum\u00eb humbje.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Cilat?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Njeriu nuk i kujton me qejf d\u00ebshtimet, \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e sh\u00ebndetshme t\u00eb mos i hap\u00ebsh plag\u00ebt e vjetra. Por un\u00eb kam b\u00ebr\u00eb shum\u00eb gabime. Disa jam p\u00ebrpjekur t\u2019i korrigjoj\u00eb, t\u00eb tjerat jam p\u00ebrpjekur t\u2019i harroj\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Nuk d\u00ebshironi t\u00eb p\u00ebrmendni asnj\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Hombre, kam qen\u00eb komunist. Nj\u00eb gabim trashanik, nj\u00eb rrug\u00eb e gabuar! N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb kam qen\u00eb an\u00ebtar i partis\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb vit, sepse stalinizmi ka qen\u00eb aq sektar, aq fanatik, saq\u00eb e kam duruar vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb vit. Por shum\u00eb gjat\u00eb kam menduar se p\u00ebr njer\u00ebzimin marksizmi, komunizmi radikal, do t\u00eb ishte rrug\u00ebdalje nga t\u00eb gjitha padrejt\u00ebsit\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Cili ka qen\u00eb m\u00eb konkretisht gabimi juaj?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Q\u00eb kam besuar n\u00eb komuniz\u00ebm. Q\u00eb ky ka qen\u00eb gabim i madh, kjo shihet n\u00eb d\u00ebshtimin total t\u00eb shoq\u00ebrive komuniste. Libri im m\u00eb i ri \u2013 \u00abThirrja e hordhive\u00bb \u2013 \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithsesi autobiografik. B\u00ebn fjal\u00eb p\u00ebr at\u00eb se si e kam zbuluar demokracin\u00eb, liberalizmin n\u00eb baz\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrvojave shum\u00eb konkrete dhe autor\u00ebve t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm, nga Adam Smith, Karl Popper e deri te Friedrich August von Hayek. Ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb proces personal: dalje nga kolektivizmi n\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri t\u00eb lir\u00eb, demokratike, n\u00eb shtetin ku sundon ligji. Koha na dha t\u00eb drejt\u00eb: shp\u00ebrb\u00ebrja e Bashkimit Sovjetik, zhvillimi i Kin\u00ebs n\u00eb shtet kapitalist, ndon\u00ebse ka mbetur diktatur\u00eb. Shiko \u00e7far\u00eb po ndodh\u00eb n\u00eb Venezuel\u00eb. Sa tragjike, sa e dhimbshme. Nj\u00eb vend aq i pasur \u2013 dhe gjith\u00e7ka e rr\u00ebnuar.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7far\u00eb u kujtohet nga takimi me Fidel Castron?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kam zhvilluar vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb bised\u00eb t\u00eb gjat\u00eb me Castron. Si gjith\u00eb gjenerata ime edhe un\u00eb kam pasur entuziaz\u00ebm t\u00eb madh p\u00ebr komunizmin kuban, ai m\u00eb dukej si p\u00ebrjetim transcendal. Deri kur p\u00ebsoi kolaps.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Si erdhi deri aty?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Shkaktar ishte rasti Padilla. Heberto Padilla ishte poet, i cili la poezin\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u2019iu bashkuar revolucionit. U b\u00eb minist\u00ebr, ishte krejt\u00ebsisht i ndersh\u00ebm. Pastaj u b\u00eb i pad\u00ebshiruesh\u00ebm, vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr shkak se e kritikoi pak politik\u00ebn ndaj kultur\u00ebs, nuk e kritikoi revolucionin. Por Castro e futi n\u00eb hapsan\u00eb dhe e akuzoi se punonte p\u00ebr CIA. \u00c7far\u00eb marr\u00ebzie. Ne protestuam.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Protestuan shum\u00eb intelektual\u00eb t\u00eb majt\u00eb. Susan Sontag, Julio Cort\u00e1zar, Carlos Fuentes, Hans Magnus Enzensberger.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Ishte nj\u00eb thyerje e madhe. Deri at\u00ebher\u00eb intelektual\u00ebt e bot\u00ebs kishin p\u00ebrkrahur Kub\u00ebn. Ata n\u00eb Kub\u00eb shihnin nj\u00eb komuniz\u00ebm demokratik. Shum\u00eb prej nesh u desh ta pranonim se kjo nuk ishte e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A ishte kjo kthesa intelektuale n\u00eb jet\u00ebn tuaj?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, ishte kthes\u00eb. Por edhe m\u00eb her\u00ebt kishte indikacione. Kur n\u00eb Kub\u00eb krijuan UMAP-in, Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producci\u00f3n. N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb b\u00ebhej fjal\u00eb p\u00ebr kampe p\u00ebrqendrimi, ku mbaheshin kund\u00ebrrevolucionar\u00eb, kriminel\u00eb dhe homoseksual\u00eb. Kam njohur shum\u00eb homoseksual\u00eb, revolucionar\u00eb, poet\u00eb, piktor\u00eb, valltar\u00eb, grupin El Puente. Vuanin shum\u00eb, futeshin n\u00eb kampe, disa vran\u00eb veten.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Filozofin\u00eb tuaj, liberalizmin, ju e gjet\u00ebt von\u00eb.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: M\u00eb mir\u00eb von\u00eb se kurr\u00eb. At\u00ebbot\u00eb shkova n\u00eb Angli, isha 36-vje\u00e7ar.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Si \u00ebsht\u00eb gjendja e bot\u00ebs n\u00eb vitin 2019?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Dua ta citoj Popperin. M\u00eb 1994, pak muaj para vdekjes, ai erdhi n\u00eb Spanj\u00eb. N\u00eb nj\u00eb konferenc\u00eb p\u00ebr shtyp gazetar\u00ebt than\u00eb: bota i ka pun\u00ebt keq. Ai tha: po, bota i ka pun\u00ebt keq, ka dhun\u00eb, shum\u00eb varf\u00ebri, mij\u00ebra probleme. Por p\u00ebrher\u00eb kur besoni se bota i ka pun\u00ebt keq, mendoni se kurr\u00eb gjat\u00eb historis\u00eb s\u00eb njer\u00ebzimit nuk kemi qen\u00eb m\u00eb mir\u00eb. Kurr\u00eb. Kjo duhet t\u00eb na inkurajoj\u00eb. P\u00ebrgjigjja e tij \u00ebsht\u00eb absolutisht e sakt\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Por ka pafund shum\u00eb varf\u00ebri e padrejt\u00ebsi, sidomos n\u00eb Amerik\u00ebn Latine.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Mir\u00ebpo, \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrmir\u00ebsuar madje edhe jeta e atyre q\u00eb kan\u00eb qen\u00eb n\u00eb gjendje shum\u00eb t\u00eb keqe. M\u00eb her\u00ebt ata kan\u00eb qen\u00eb edhe m\u00eb keq. Para s\u00eb gjithash p\u00ebr rinin\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi q\u00eb t\u00eb mos zhytet n\u00eb pesimiz\u00ebm paralizues. S\u2019ka gj\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb keqe p\u00ebr nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Si e shihni val\u00ebn e popullizmit, nacionalizmit n\u00eb bot\u00eb?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: \u00cbsht\u00eb problem i madh. Popullzimi nuk mund t\u00eb ndahet nga nacionalizmi. Nacionalizimi \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nd\u00ebr katastrofat e m\u00ebdha n\u00eb historin\u00eb e njer\u00ebzimit. N\u00ebse k\u00ebt\u00eb e di dikush, at\u00ebher\u00eb Europa, e cila ka p\u00ebrjetuar dy luft\u00ebra bot\u00ebrore me miliona t\u00eb vdekur \u2013 t\u00eb shkaktuar nga nacionalizmi. Vet\u00ebm feja na ka kushtuar aq shum\u00eb t\u00eb vdekur, aq shum\u00eb gjakderdhje, aq shum\u00eb padrejt\u00ebsi sa popullizmi, pjesa kryesore p\u00ebrb\u00ebr\u00ebse e t\u00eb cilit \u00ebsht\u00eb nacionalizmi. Popullizmi dhe nacionalizmi duhet t\u00eb luftohen me t\u00eb gjitha mjetet, n\u00eb em\u00ebr t\u00eb demokracis\u00eb dhe liris\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Sidomos Europa po kaplohet nga popullist\u00ebt: Orb\u00e1n, Wilders, Brexit, AfD (Alternativa p\u00ebr Gjermanin\u00eb).<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kjo \u00e7far\u00eb po b\u00ebn popullizmi aktualisht \u00ebsht\u00eb e tmerrshme. \u00cbsht\u00eb shlyerje e madhe e kujtes\u00ebs. Dje e kemi par\u00eb \u00e7far\u00eb b\u00ebn nacionalizimi, e tani ai \u00ebsht\u00eb i pranish\u00ebm gjithkund, madje edhe n\u00eb Spanj\u00eb, ku deri nga mesi i viteve \u20181970 sundonte nj\u00eb diktator nacionalist.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Prej nga vjen nacionalizmi pik\u00ebrisht tani?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: \u00cbsht\u00eb mend\u00ebsi fisnore. Nostalgji p\u00ebr di\u00e7ka q\u00eb nuk ka ekzistuar kurr\u00eb. Nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri krejt\u00ebsisht homogjene, e cila flet t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn gjuh\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb e rac\u00ebs s\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00eb, ka t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtin zot, t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtat doke. Di\u00e7ka e till\u00eb nuk ka ekzistuar kurr\u00eb \u2013 me p\u00ebrjashtim t\u00eb epok\u00ebs kur njer\u00ebzit jetonin n\u00eb shpella. Por iluzioni p\u00ebr nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri t\u00eb till\u00eb disi e qet\u00ebson njeriun.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Po p\u00ebrse tani?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kjo ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me zhvillimin marramend\u00ebs t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj bote. Jetojm\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb realitet q\u00eb nuk ka asgj\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me t\u00eb kaluar\u00ebn. Kjo i tremb shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz, i frik\u00ebson. Nga kjo buron malli p\u00ebr t\u00eb kaluar\u00ebn. Ne k\u00ebtu n\u00eb Spanj\u00eb po p\u00ebrjetojm\u00eb nj\u00eb revolucion t\u00eb traditave. Shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz e ndiejn\u00eb veten t\u00eb pasigurt p\u00ebrball\u00eb p\u00ebrparimit t\u00eb gruas, ndryshimeve shoq\u00ebrore. Ku arratisen k\u00ebta njer\u00ebz? N\u00eb fantazi, n\u00eb iden\u00eb e shoq\u00ebris\u00eb krejt\u00ebsisht t\u00eb nj\u00ebtrajtshme, homogjene, t\u00eb sh\u00ebndosh\u00eb, ku t\u00eb gjith\u00eb e shohin veten t\u00eb pasqyruar. Por si\u00e7 e thash\u00eb ky \u00ebsht\u00eb iluzion. Sidomos sot kur jan\u00eb hequr kufijt\u00eb, kur t\u00eb gjith\u00eb jemi qytetar\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj bote, desh\u00ebm apo jo.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Kjo nuk po ndodh vet\u00ebm n\u00eb Europ\u00eb. Edhe n\u00eb SHBA. Si e shpjegoni q\u00eb nj\u00eb vend i modernizmit zgjedh nj\u00eb person si Trumpi?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: V\u00ebshtir\u00eb t\u00eb kuptohet. P\u00ebr mua befasia e madhe \u00ebsht\u00eb se ekziston nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb e shoq\u00ebris\u00eb amerikane, e cila ndihet e p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsuar prej tij. Mendohej se SHBA-t\u00eb jan\u00eb k\u00ebrthiza e bot\u00ebs s\u00eb lir\u00eb. Fakti se ato me gjas\u00eb nuk jan\u00eb, m\u00eb tmerron shum\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7far\u00eb duhet b\u00ebr\u00eb?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Andaj \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme q\u00eb BE t\u00eb ket\u00eb sukses. Projekti europian nuk ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr Europ\u00ebn, por p\u00ebr gjith\u00eb njer\u00ebzimin. Prania e Europ\u00ebs \u00ebsht\u00eb fundamentale dhe p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb duhet uniteti i Europ\u00ebs. Europa \u00ebsht\u00eb djepi i demokracis\u00eb. Djep i liris\u00eb. Europa ia ka falur bot\u00ebs t\u00eb drejtat e njeriut, e ka krijuar individin.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: N\u00eb shenj\u00eb proteste kund\u00ebr nacionalizimit ju jeni larguar edhe nga shoqata nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtare e shkrimtar\u00ebve, PEN-i.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, jam t\u00ebrhequr sepse PEN-Klubi ra n\u00eb duart e disave q\u00eb duan pavar\u00ebsin\u00eb e Katalonis\u00eb. Ata e kan\u00eb mashtruar presidenten e PEN-it, nj\u00eb amerikane q\u00eb jeton n\u00eb Meksik\u00eb. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb ajo e ka v\u00ebn\u00eb PEN-in n\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim t\u00eb l\u00ebvizjes p\u00ebr pavar\u00ebsi, t\u00eb cil\u00ebn un\u00eb e luftoj me ngulm.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Pse?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Fare thjesht\u00eb: l\u00ebvizja p\u00ebr pavar\u00ebsi kurr\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrkrahur nga shumica e katalonasve. Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb larg 50-p\u00ebrqind\u00ebshit. Katalonia nuk ka qen\u00eb kurr\u00eb e pavarur, asnj\u00eb dit\u00eb t\u00eb vetme. S\u00eb pari ka qen\u00eb pjes\u00eb e Franc\u00ebs, pastaj e Spanj\u00ebs. N\u00eb Spanj\u00eb ka pasur rajone t\u00eb pavarura Valencia, Arag\u00f3n, por jo Katalonia, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb shpikje e borgjezis\u00eb nacionaliste t\u00eb shekullit t\u00eb \u201919. Pavar\u00ebsia do t\u00eb ishte tragjedi p\u00ebr Spanj\u00ebn dhe Europ\u00ebn. N\u00ebse Katalonia e arrin pavar\u00ebsin\u00eb me nj\u00eb pakic\u00eb, \u00e7far\u00eb do t\u00eb thon\u00eb bask\u00ebt, galician\u00ebt, valencian\u00ebt? Ky do t\u00eb ishte rast precedent. Europa heq barrierat dhe kufijt\u00eb, si\u00e7 duhet t\u00eb b\u00ebhet, dhe tash ky marsh nacionalist?<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: N\u00eb librin tuaj ju lavd\u00ebroni liberalizmin dhe kapitalizmin. Por ka shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz q\u00eb ekscesin kapitalist e b\u00ebjn\u00eb p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebs p\u00ebr dallimet n\u00eb rritje mes t\u00eb varf\u00ebrve dhe t\u00eb pasurve, p\u00ebr kriz\u00ebn financiare, shkat\u00ebrrimin e pyjeve tropikale, katastrof\u00ebn e klim\u00ebs; ata thon\u00eb: p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb kapitalizmi i ka fajet.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. N\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb mes liberal\u00ebve ka sektar\u00eb, q\u00eb besojn\u00eb se \u00e7do gj\u00eb e rregullon tregu. Por liberalizimi p\u00ebrher\u00eb ka qen\u00eb avangard\u00eb e t\u00eb gjitha reformave t\u00eb m\u00ebdha q\u00eb e kan\u00eb \u00e7uar p\u00ebrpara njer\u00ebzimin. Mendimtar\u00ebt e m\u00ebdhenj t\u00eb liberalizmit nuk kan\u00eb qen\u00eb kurr\u00eb sektar\u00eb, as fanatik\u00eb. Adam Smith p\u00ebrher\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb kujdesur shum\u00eb p\u00ebr \u00e7\u00ebshtjet sociale, ai ka predikuar liberalizmin ekonomik, n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb njer\u00ebzit t\u2019i ken\u00eb pun\u00ebt m\u00eb mir\u00eb, para s\u00eb gjithash t\u00eb varfrit, at\u00ebbot\u00eb bujq, n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb ata t\u00eb ikin nga kushtet jet\u00ebsore t\u00eb kafsh\u00ebve.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Kritika \u00ebsht\u00eb kjo: globalizimi u ndihmon vet\u00ebm t\u00eb pasurve p\u00ebr t\u2019u b\u00ebr\u00eb edhe m\u00eb t\u00eb pasur.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: As kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. Hombre, globalizimi \u00ebsht\u00eb nd\u00ebr gj\u00ebrat m\u00eb t\u00eb mira q\u00eb i kan\u00eb ndodhur bot\u00ebs. Ai i mund\u00ebson nj\u00eb vendi t\u00eb varf\u00ebr q\u00eb me politik\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebhet vend prosperues. Shembulli m\u00eb i mir\u00eb jan\u00eb shtetet e Azis\u00eb juglindore. Ato vende kan\u00eb qen\u00eb shum\u00eb t\u00eb varfra me pak pasanik\u00eb. Sot jan\u00eb shum\u00eb t\u00eb pasura \u2013 fal\u00eb globalizimit. A keni qen\u00eb ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb n\u00eb Singapor?<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Jo.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Singapori nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb demokraci shembullore, por kam qen\u00eb nj\u00ebher\u00eb atje, me ftes\u00eb t\u00eb miqve t\u00eb mi, q\u00eb jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb qytet. Un\u00eb iu luta atyre: m\u2019i tregoni t\u00eb varfrit, lagjet e varfra. M\u00eb \u00e7uan n\u00eb lagje t\u00eb shtres\u00ebs s\u00eb mesme dhe m\u00eb than\u00eb: k\u00ebta jan\u00eb t\u00eb varfrit tan\u00eb. Pa globalizim kjo nuk do t\u00eb kishte qen\u00eb e mundshme \u2013 s\u00eb paku n\u00ebse e shohim nga aspekti ekonomik. Nj\u00eb shembull tjet\u00ebr jan\u00eb vendet e Europ\u00ebs, t\u00eb cilat nuk jan\u00eb fare t\u00eb varfra: jan\u00eb shtete demokratike \u2013 Suedia, Zvicra, k\u00ebto e kan\u00eb \u00e7rr\u00ebnjosur varf\u00ebrin\u00eb. Ata vende q\u00eb ia kan\u00eb dal\u00eb, jan\u00eb demokraci liberale.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju i keni adhuruar Ronald Reaganin dhe Maggie Thatcherin. Pse?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: I kam adhuruar t\u00eb dyt\u00eb kur jetoja n\u00eb Angli. Ishte tamam nj\u00eb revolucion. Kur shkova atje, Anglia ishte nj\u00eb vend n\u00eb r\u00ebnie t\u00eb lir\u00eb, me liri, por duke u fundosur, nj\u00eb vend ku kishin d\u00ebshtuar socialist\u00ebt dhe konservator\u00ebt. Thatcheri ia ktheu Britanis\u00eb s\u00eb Madhe energjin\u00eb, dinamik\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: E keni njohur personalisht zonj\u00ebn Thatcher?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, kam pasur fatin ta njoh\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb dark\u00eb. Thatcher kishte lexuar Popperin dhe Hayekun, p\u00ebr t\u00eb cil\u00ebt un\u00eb shkruaj n\u00eb librin tim. Ajo tha: mendimtari m\u00eb i madh ka qen\u00eb Karl Popperi. Nd\u00ebrsa Hayekun ajo e konsultonte madje edhe n\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtjet ekonomike. Un\u00eb kam qen\u00eb i mahnitur nga ajo.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Keni biseduar edhe me Ronald Reaganin?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nj\u00ebher\u00eb. I kam th\u00ebn\u00eb: ju adhuroj, por si mund t\u00eb thoni se librat e xhepit mbi kaubojt, t\u00eb shkruara nga Louis L\u2019Amour, jan\u00eb let\u00ebrsia m\u00eb e mir\u00eb? Keni autor t\u00eb m\u00ebdhenj si Walt Whitman, Edgar Allen Poe dhe William Faulkner. Ai tha se Per\u00ebndimi i Eg\u00ebr dhe kaubojt jan\u00eb pjes\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme e kultur\u00ebs s\u00eb madhe t\u00eb Amerik\u00ebs. \u00cbsht\u00eb e mundshme. Por p\u00ebr let\u00ebrsin\u00eb ai p\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq v\u00ebrtet s\u2019kishte haber.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Sipas pik\u00ebpamjes suaj, a ka sot ende liberal\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdhenj?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Ka, por nuk mund t\u00eb krahasohen me Thatcherin apo Reaganin.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Cil\u00ebt jan\u00eb ata?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Angel Merkel m\u00eb duket personalitet p\u00ebr t\u2019u adhuruar, ajo b\u00ebn pun\u00eb t\u00eb shk\u00eblqyer. Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb pak ideologjike se Thatcher apo Reagani, por n\u00eb rastin e saj mund t\u00eb flitet p\u00ebr nj\u00eb gruashtetase t\u00eb madhe. Ajo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb e popullarizuar tani p\u00ebr shkak se ka pranuar migrant\u00ebt. Merreni me mend, nj\u00eb nism\u00eb altruiste, e admirueshme, por gjerman\u00ebt nuk jan\u00eb n\u00eb nivelin e saj. Ajo ka dh\u00ebn\u00eb kontribut t\u00eb jasht\u00ebzakonsh\u00ebm p\u00ebr p\u00ebrparimin, mir\u00ebqenien dhe demokratizimin e Gjermanis\u00eb. Historia do t\u2019i jap\u00eb shum\u00eb t\u00eb drejt\u00eb Angela Merkelit.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju e keni zbuluar shum\u00eb her\u00ebt politik\u00ebn, q\u00eb n\u00eb mosh\u00ebn 12-vje\u00e7are.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Familja ime ka lidhje familjare me nj\u00eb president t\u00eb madh t\u00eb Perus\u00eb: Jos\u00e9 Luis Bustamante y Rivero ka qen\u00eb avokat, njeri shum\u00eb i ndersh\u00ebm. Me gjas\u00eb gabimi i tij m\u00eb i madh ishte ky: ai ishte nj\u00eb president si p\u00ebr zviceran\u00ebt, i drejt\u00eb dhe korrekt. Pastaj ushtria organizoi pu\u00e7. Grushti i shtetit pati pasoja t\u00eb m\u00ebdha p\u00ebr familjen ton\u00eb. Un\u00eb kam qen\u00eb voc\u00ebrrak dhe isha n\u00eb qend\u00ebr t\u00eb politik\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Keni mbesa e nip\u00ebr?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Losa: Gjasht\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: P\u00ebr cilat tema t\u00eb m\u00ebdha interesohen ata?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Vet\u00ebm dy interesohen p\u00ebr politik\u00eb. Nj\u00ebra studion politik\u00eb n\u00eb Columbia University n\u00eb New York. Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb liberale, kjo m\u00eb g\u00ebzon.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Nuk b\u00ebhen merak p\u00ebr ndryshimet klimatike?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: T\u00eb rinjt\u00eb sot kan\u00eb para s\u00eb gjithash nj\u00eb problem q\u00eb ne nuk e kemi pasur: munges\u00ebn e vendeve t\u00eb pun\u00ebs. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb barr\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00eb p\u00ebr ta. Rinia e tyre \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e ndryshme nga e imja. Sot t\u00eb kesh nj\u00eb vend pune \u00ebsht\u00eb privilegj, para s\u00eb gjithash n\u00eb vendet e zhvilluara. Rinia jeton n\u00eb pasiguri t\u00eb madhe. Kjo e ka b\u00ebr\u00eb at\u00eb letargjike, ata turbullojn\u00eb kok\u00ebn me muzik\u00eb, drog\u00eb, jetojn\u00eb n\u00eb periferi. Por jan\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb lir\u00eb se ne. Kan\u00eb shum\u00eb liri n\u00eb seksualitetin e tyre, p\u00ebrmes feminizmit. L\u00ebvizja e grave \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e fuqishme. M\u00eb n\u00eb fund po triumfojn\u00eb \u2013 \u00e7far\u00eb padrejt\u00ebsie ka qen\u00eb p\u00ebr grat\u00eb, me shekull. M\u00eb n\u00eb fund ato po fitojn\u00eb betejat e tyre.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Na ndihmoni t\u00eb kuptojm\u00eb kontinentin tuaj. \u00c7far\u00eb kontinenti i \u00e7mendur. T\u2019ia nisim nga Venezuela.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nj\u00eb tragjedi. Nj\u00eb travesti. Nj\u00eb vend aq i pasur q\u00eb po shp\u00ebrb\u00ebhet komplet. Gjithkund refugjat\u00eb, 700 mij\u00eb n\u00eb vendin tim, n\u00eb Peru, m\u00eb shum\u00eb se nj\u00eb milion n\u00eb Kolumbi. N\u00eb Peru mund t\u00eb jetojn\u00eb dhe punojn\u00eb nj\u00eb vit, ky \u00ebsht\u00eb solidaritet. Kam qen\u00eb atje n\u00eb koh\u00ebn e presidentit Ch\u00e1vez, m\u00eb ndaluan n\u00eb kufi, m\u00eb mor\u00ebn n\u00eb pyetje, ishte e tmerrshme.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Pastaj n\u00eb an\u00ebn e djatht\u00eb Brazili, i cili po qeveriset nga Bolsonaro.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nj\u00eb demagog. Bolsonaro \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb demagog i madh, po ashtu krejt i pap\u00ebrgatitur. M\u00eb e tmerrshmja \u00ebsht\u00eb se n\u00eb Brazil pas Lula da Silvas, nj\u00eb demagog i korruptuar, tani ka ardhur nj\u00eb demagog tjet\u00ebr, p\u00ebr t\u00eb cilin vet\u00ebm mund t\u00eb shpresohet t\u00eb mos jet\u00eb edhe i korruptuar. \u00cbsht\u00eb e dhimbshme. I ashtuquajturi vendi i s\u00eb ardhmes s\u2019do t\u00eb arrij\u00eb kur te ardhm\u00ebria e tij.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: N\u00eb Meksik\u00eb, nd\u00ebrkaq, qeveris popullisti i majt\u00eb L\u00f3pez Obrador.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Edhe ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb shembull i kthimit prapa n\u00eb populliz\u00ebm.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A shihni di\u00e7ka nga liberalizmi n\u00eb Amerik\u00ebn Latine?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Ka p\u00ebrpjekje, por nuk sjellin shum\u00eb fryte, p\u00ebr shembull n\u00eb Argjentin\u00eb n\u00ebn presidentin Mauricio Macri. Ai ka ide t\u00eb mira. Por s\u2019ka pasur guxim t\u00eb zbatoj\u00eb nj\u00eb shok-terapi n\u00eb at\u00eb vend q\u00eb pas viteve t\u00eb \u00e7iftit Kirchner ishte i shtrir\u00eb p\u00ebr toke \u2013 pas shum\u00eb viteve me demagogji, korrupsion dhe populliz\u00ebm. Macri e ka provuar me gradualiz\u00ebm, dometh\u00ebn\u00eb ka tentuar q\u00eb ta reformoj\u00eb vendin hap pas hapi. Kjo qe fatale. Njer\u00ebzit e akuzojn\u00eb p\u00ebr gj\u00ebra p\u00ebr t\u00eb cilat p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebs \u00ebsht\u00eb \u00e7ifti Kirchner.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: N\u00eb tetor mbahen zgjedhjet.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Shpresoj se kursi reformator i Macrit do t\u00eb funksionoj\u00eb, n\u00ebse i fiton zgjedhjet. N\u00ebse nuk i fiton, kjo do t\u00eb ishte nj\u00eb katastrof\u00eb p\u00ebr Argjentin\u00ebn, me t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb nj\u00eb katastrof\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Vet\u00ebm lajme t\u00eb k\u00ebqija nga Amerika Latine.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Jo. Por t\u00eb mirat ndoshta nuk jan\u00eb aq t\u00eb njohura. Kili ka qen\u00eb vend i varf\u00ebr dhe tani po prosperon. Pothuaj nuk i takon me Amerik\u00ebs Latine, \u00ebsht\u00eb af\u00ebr Bot\u00ebs s\u00eb Par\u00eb. Kilian\u00ebt ia kan\u00eb dal\u00eb t\u00eb arrijn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb mir\u00ebqenie n\u00eb demokraci. Ata kan\u00eb nj\u00eb t\u00eb majt\u00eb q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb fanatike dhe e ka pranuar politik\u00ebn liberale ekonomike, t\u00eb cil\u00ebn Kili e ka trash\u00ebguar nga diktatura. Kili ka pasur nj\u00eb politik\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb nga e majta n\u00eb t\u00eb djatht\u00ebn, andaj \u00ebsht\u00eb shembull.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: N\u00eb vendin tuaj, n\u00eb Peru, jan\u00eb\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: \u2026pes\u00eb president ose n\u00eb burg, ose n\u00eb arrati ose kan\u00eb vrar\u00eb veten \u2013 p\u00ebr shkak t\u00eb korrupsionit. T\u00eb korruptuar nga nd\u00ebrmarrja braziliane Odebrecht. K\u00ebt\u00eb lidhje e ka krijuar Lula da Silva. Korrupsioni \u00ebsht\u00eb aq thell\u00eb i rr\u00ebnjosur n\u00eb jet\u00ebn e latinoamerikan\u00ebve. P\u00ebr fat t\u00eb mir\u00eb jan\u00eb disa gjykat\u00ebs n\u00eb Peru dhe Brazil q\u00eb po veprojn\u00eb me shum\u00eb guxim e efikasitet.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: M\u00eb 1990 keni kandiduar p\u00ebr t\u2019u b\u00ebr\u00eb president. P\u00ebrse nuk kandidoni s\u00ebrish n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb moment historik?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Vokacioni im nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00eb politik\u00eb. At\u00ebbot\u00eb un\u00eb u hodha n\u00eb politik\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb zhvilluar nj\u00eb fushat\u00eb kund\u00ebr nacionalizimit t\u00eb bankave. Pasi l\u00ebvizja jon\u00eb pati sukses t\u00eb madh, u shtua presioni q\u00eb un\u00eb t\u00eb kandidoj\u00eb p\u00ebr president.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Me partin\u00eb tuaj Movimento Libertad ju p\u00ebr pak fituat kund\u00ebr Alberto Fujimori, i cili m\u00eb von\u00eb p\u00ebrfundoi n\u00eb burg.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, por si\u00e7 e thash\u00eb: politika nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb pun\u00eb p\u00ebr mua. Nuk kam pranuar kurr\u00eb asnj\u00eb post. Megjithat\u00eb, di\u00e7ka nga l\u00ebvizja ime mbeti. Pasoi nj\u00eb politik\u00eb e hapur q\u00eb t\u00ebrhoqi investime dhe solli mir\u00ebqenie. Nuk dua t\u00eb mburrem, por nga fushata jon\u00eb deri m\u00eb sot kan\u00eb mbetur ide liberale \u2013 p\u00ebrkund\u00ebr krizave.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Si ju shohin sot bashk\u00ebvend\u00ebsit tuaj?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Disa m\u00eb shikojn\u00eb me mir\u00ebdashje, por sigurisht jo t\u00eb gjith\u00eb me simpati. Ata mendojn\u00eb se idet\u00eb e mia duhet t\u00eb luftohen ashp\u00ebr.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju quajn\u00eb neoliberal.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Po, por k\u00ebta z\u00ebra po pak\u00ebsohen. Kjo ka qen\u00eb vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb fyese p\u00ebr t\u00eb luftuar liberalizmin.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A ndiheni sot m\u00eb shum\u00eb peruan apo spanjoll?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Jam qytetar i bot\u00ebs. Jam peruan dhe kam pasaport\u00eb spanjolle, por p\u00ebrher\u00eb kam dashur t\u00eb jem qytetar i bot\u00ebs. Dhe ia kam dal\u00eb. Kjo m\u00eb b\u00ebn t\u00eb lumtur.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: \u00c7ka \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb qytetar i bot\u00ebs?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Mund t\u00eb jetoj pa problem n\u00eb shum\u00eb vende t\u00eb bot\u00ebs. Kam jetuar n\u00eb shum\u00eb vende \u2013 n\u00eb Paris, Lond\u00ebr, madje edhe n\u00eb Gjermani -, dhe gjithkund jam ndier si n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Duket se jeni njeri i lumtur.<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Nuk b\u00ebn t\u00eb jesh p\u00ebrher\u00eb i lumtur. Vet\u00ebm n\u00eb momente t\u00eb shkurtra. Ndryshe b\u00ebhet rutin\u00eb. Por kur i k\u00ebqyri t\u00eb gjitha, un\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb jam i lumtur se sa i pik\u00eblluar.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Duhet t\u00eb flasim p\u00ebr dashurin\u00eb. Sa e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme \u00ebsht\u00eb dashuria n\u00eb jet\u00ebn tuaj?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Vargas Llosa shikon piktur\u00ebn e Isabel Preysler n\u00eb mur. Ajo bart nj\u00eb fustan t\u00eb kuq, solemn, por nuk bart stoli. Shtypi spanjoll e quan mbret\u00ebresh\u00eb t\u00eb bot\u00ebs s\u00eb shk\u00eblqimit, ajo tri her\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb zgjedhur gruaja m\u00eb s\u00eb miri e veshur n\u00eb Spanj\u00eb, edhe Mbreti e ka pritur. P\u00ebr t\u00eb Vargas Llosa ka braktisur gruan e tij shum\u00ebvje\u00e7are Patricia, e cila ka qen\u00eb kush\u00ebrir\u00eb e tij, dhe e ka braktisur pak para se t\u00eb sh\u00ebnonin nj\u00eb gjysm\u00eb shekulli martes\u00eb. P\u00ebr shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz ky ishte nj\u00eb skandal. M\u00eb her\u00ebt ai ka qen\u00eb i martuar me tezen e tij.<\/p>\n

Llosa: Dashuria luan rol qendror. Dashuria pasuron jet\u00ebn, t\u00eb jep shum\u00eb forc\u00eb, i ndihmon njeriut t\u2019i qaset jet\u00ebs me m\u00eb shum\u00eb optimiz\u00ebm, me kreativitet. Mungesa e dashuris\u00eb e b\u00ebn jet\u00ebn t\u00eb dhimbshme.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: A \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebshtu edhe n\u00eb mosh\u00eb t\u00eb shtyr\u00eb? A ka dallim mes dashuris\u00eb n\u00eb mosh\u00ebn 18-vej\u00e7are dhe dashuris\u00eb n\u00eb mosh\u00ebn 83-vje\u00e7are?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: N\u00eb mosh\u00ebn 80-vje\u00e7are njeriu konsiderohet me p\u00ebrvoj\u00eb, por kur t\u00eb godet dashuria krejt p\u00ebrvoja nuk b\u00ebn fare pun\u00eb. P\u00ebrvoja th\u00ebrrmohet, zhduket. Hombre, dashuria me 80 vjet nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb si me 18 vjet. \u00cbsht\u00eb dashuri q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb pak e stuhishme. Por n\u00ebse ekziston, at\u00ebher\u00eb jeta jetohet m\u00eb mir\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Ju e p\u00ebrjetoni dashurin\u00eb edhe m\u00eb tutje n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb intensive.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Besoj se po. Sidoqoft\u00eb, p\u00ebrpiqem.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Kjo shihet edhe n\u00eb fotografi. Juve p\u00ebrher\u00eb ju ndjekin paparacit. Pse?<\/em><\/p>\n

Llosa: Jan\u00eb gjithkund, \u00ebsht\u00eb e tmerrshme. Por ata s\u2019m\u00eb ndjekin mua, por gruan time. Sonte do t\u00eb shkojm\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb loj\u00eb t\u00eb madhe tenisi. Dh\u00ebndri i gruas sime, Fernando Verdasco, \u00ebsht\u00eb i 38-ti n\u00eb bot\u00eb, ai a nj\u00eb loj\u00eb te ATP Masters. Edhe atje do t\u00eb jen\u00eb paparacit.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Pyetja e fundit: brenda 55 viteve keni shkruar 59 libra. Me se po merreni tani?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: N\u00eb nj\u00eb roman, i cili zhvillohet n\u00eb Guatemal\u00eb n\u00eb koh\u00ebn e presidentit socialdemokrat Jacobo \u00c1rbenz Guzm\u00e1n. M\u00eb 1954 CIA organizoi nj\u00eb pu\u00e7 kund\u00ebr tij. Amerikan\u00ebt ishin shum\u00eb t\u00eb shqet\u00ebsuar, sepse mendonin se ai \u00ebsht\u00eb komunist dhe planifikon nj\u00eb nd\u00ebrrim sistemi. Pasardh\u00ebsi i \u00c1rbenzit, Castillo Armas, vdiq tre vite m\u00eb von\u00eb n\u00eb rrethana misterioze \u2013 nj\u00eb vrasje q\u00eb nuk u zbulua kurr\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Das Magazin: Edhe sa libra do t\u00eb shkruani?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Llosa: Kam mjaft projekte. Nuk do t\u00eb mund t\u2019i p\u00ebrfundoj kurr\u00eb. Kur e p\u00ebrfundoj nj\u00eb, at\u00ebher\u00eb problemi im m\u00eb i madh \u00ebsht\u00eb ky: cilin projekt ta zgjedh? Kam aq shum\u00eb. \u00cbndrra ime m\u00eb e madhe \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u00eb vdes\u00eb duke shkruar, me stilograf n\u00eb dor\u00eb.Nga gjermanishtja: Enver Robelli\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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