{"id":10556,"date":"2019-05-02T07:55:43","date_gmt":"2019-05-02T05:55:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/redaktori.com\/?p=10556"},"modified":"2019-05-02T07:55:43","modified_gmt":"2019-05-02T05:55:43","slug":"fundi-i-botes-ne-2084-interviste-me-boualem-sansal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/redaktori.com\/?p=10556","title":{"rendered":"\u201cFundi i bot\u00ebs n\u00eb 2084?\u201d Intervist\u00eb me Boualem Sansal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>I persekutuar nga fondamentalist\u00ebt islamik\u00eb dhe i detyruar q\u00eb t\u2019i botoj\u00eb librat e tij vet\u00ebm n\u00eb Europ\u00eb, shkrimtari algjerian Boualem Sansal ka qen\u00eb n\u00eb Rom\u00eb p\u00ebr nj\u00eb tur prezantimesh.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Si besoni se do t\u00eb reagonte nj\u00eb lexues q\u00eb jeton n\u00eb nj\u00eb vend t\u00eb \u00e7far\u00ebdosh\u00ebm islamik p\u00ebr romanin tuaj \u201c<em>2084 \u2013 Fundi i bot\u00ebs<\/em>\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Reagimi do t\u00eb ishte shum\u00eb i eg\u00ebr. Por un\u00eb jam i qet\u00eb, n\u00eb fund t\u00eb fundit reputacioni \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb i bukur sesa i shkat\u00ebrruar pran\u00eb publikut islamik. \u00cbsht\u00eb n\u00eb koh\u00ebrat e pozicionimeve t\u00eb mia t\u00eb para publiku dhe sidomos nga dalja e romanit tim t\u00eb par\u00eb q\u00eb kam b\u00ebr\u00eb kaq shum\u00eb armiq, sa q\u00eb kam p\u00ebrfunduar n\u00eb \u201clist\u00ebn e zez\u00eb\u201d. Tashm\u00eb k\u00ebta armiq i kam dhe nuk mund t\u00eb b\u00ebj asgj\u00eb, jam m\u00ebsuar t\u00eb bashk\u00ebjetoj i qet\u00eb me k\u00ebt\u00eb vet\u00ebdije. Pasi, kije mir\u00eb parasysh, me k\u00ebrc\u00ebnimet e fondamentalist\u00ebve arrihet t\u00eb bashk\u00ebjetohet; kush thot\u00eb t\u00eb kund\u00ebrt\u00ebn, g\u00ebnjen. Sigurisht, jetoj me v\u00ebmendje, por ama jetoj. Jam m\u00ebsuar k\u00ebshtu.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>N\u00eb distopin\u00eb ngjeth\u00ebse t\u00eb Abistanit jeton edhe nj\u00eb kontroll mbi t\u00eb gjuh\u00ebn;\u00a0<em>abiling<\/em>, gjuha e shenjt\u00eb e imponuar nga regjimi, ka nj\u00eb rol qendror dhe nj\u00eb arom\u00eb arkaike, thuajse magjike. Pse gjuha \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb arm\u00eb kaq e fuqishme?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pa gjuh\u00eb, njeriu nuk do ta krijonte qytet\u00ebrimin, pa t\u00eb do t\u00eb kishim q\u00ebndruar n\u00eb gjendjen kafsh\u00ebrore m\u00eb primitive: dhe sa m\u00eb shum\u00eb evoluojm\u00eb, aq m\u00eb shum\u00eb evoluon gjuha jon\u00eb, aq m\u00eb shum\u00eb strukturohet dhe aq m\u00eb mir\u00eb na mund\u00ebson q\u00eb t\u00eb njohim bot\u00ebn dhe na jep mjetet p\u00ebr ta kuptuar n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet fjal\u00ebve dhe emrave q\u00eb u v\u00ebm\u00eb gj\u00ebrave. \u00cbsht\u00eb gjuha magjia q\u00eb i krijon k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra t\u00eb jasht\u00ebzakonshme q\u00eb jan\u00eb individ\u00ebt dhe kolektiviteti; pa gjuh\u00ebn edhe ne t\u00eb dy k\u00ebtu nuk do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb k\u00ebmbenim vizionet tona reciproke mbi bot\u00ebn dhe ndoshta t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtonim nj\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt. Pra, kush kontrollon gjuh\u00ebn, kontrollon si individin, ashtu edhe shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb dhe k\u00ebt\u00eb n\u00eb histori regjimet e kan\u00eb kuptuar gjithmon\u00eb mir\u00eb: jo rast\u00ebsisht, gjithmon\u00eb kan\u00eb imponuar nj\u00eb gjuh\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrbashk\u00ebt, t\u00eb centralizuar, t\u00eb strukturuar prej tyre, e m\u00ebsuar n\u00ebp\u00ebr shkolla dhe e p\u00ebrdorur n\u00eb \u00e7do aspekt t\u00eb shoq\u00ebris\u00eb. Sh\u00ebrben p\u00ebr t\u00eb shp\u00ebrndar\u00eb mesazhet midis njer\u00ebzve, t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtoj\u00eb imagjinat\u00ebn kolektive: nuk qeveriset vet\u00ebm m\u00eb arm\u00eb, qeveriset edhe me fjal\u00eb. Pastaj, n\u00eb universin fetar gjuha ka nj\u00eb funksion vendimtar dhe kompleks t\u00eb m\u00ebtejsh\u00ebm. N\u00ebqoft\u00ebse bota jon\u00eb materiale \u00ebsht\u00eb plot me gj\u00ebra t\u00eb perceptueshme dhe t\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrueshme (deri edhe idet\u00eb), ajo fetare \u00ebsht\u00eb plot me transhedenc\u00eb e me magji dhe kjo i jep klerit nj\u00eb pushtet suplementar, pasi vet\u00ebm fetar\u00ebt e zot\u00ebrojn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb magji, q\u00eb mbajn\u00eb \u00e7el\u00ebsat e k\u00ebsaj transhendence. Dhe k\u00ebto \u00e7el\u00ebsa shpesh dhe me d\u00ebshir\u00eb jan\u00eb \u00e7el\u00ebsa gjuh\u00ebsore. Jan\u00eb fjal\u00ebt, q\u00eb japin rezultatet m\u00eb t\u00eb mira. Dhe gjuha fetare \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb dep\u00ebrtuese se gjuha juridike, se ajo burokratike dhe se se ajo ushtarale. Pra, gjuha \u00ebsht\u00eb njeriu, \u00ebsht\u00eb jeta.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Duke lexuar\u00a0<em>2084 \u2013 Fundi i bot\u00ebs\u00a0<\/em>natyrisht q\u00eb krijohet vet\u00ebdija se gjendesh p\u00ebrball\u00eb nj\u00eb fiksioni, ka mund\u00ebsi p\u00ebrball\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebrie t\u00eb paraqitur me ngjyra t\u00eb forta, groteske, deri paksa karikatureske. Megjithat\u00eb, habitemi kur mendojn\u00eb se imazhi q\u00eb kemi n\u00eb Per\u00ebndim p\u00ebr shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb islamike \u00ebsht\u00eb sakt\u00ebsisht ky. Ti, q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb far\u00eb kuptimi je n\u00eb mes t\u00eb rrug\u00ebs midis islamit dhe Europ\u00ebs, si e gjykon iden\u00eb q\u00eb kan\u00eb per\u00ebndimor\u00ebt p\u00ebr shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb islamike?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Fiksion po, por nuk e kam \u00e7uar ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb n\u00eb mend iden\u00eb e b\u00ebrjes s\u00eb nj\u00eb karikature. K\u00ebrkoj q\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrcjell n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet nj\u00eb romani p\u00ebrvoj\u00ebn time si algjerian, si mysliman: sepse un\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb bot\u00eb jetoj. Nuk ka asgj\u00eb karikatureske, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrim q\u00eb edhe mua, jo vet\u00ebm ju per\u00ebndimor\u00ebve, m\u00eb duket realist. Sepse dua t\u00eb jem realist. \u00cbsht\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrimi i bot\u00ebs myslimane kur qeveriset vet\u00ebm nga religjioni: n\u00eb Arabi Saudite \u00ebsht\u00eb k\u00ebshtu, si n\u00eb Abistan. Jo n\u00eb Algjeri, jo n\u00eb Marok, pasi p\u00ebrkrah institucioneve religjioze ndodhen strukturat e nj\u00eb shteti modern dhe nga kjo buron ambiguiteti i friksh\u00ebm n\u00eb t\u00eb cilin ndodhemi: jam nj\u00eb mysliman besimtar q\u00eb ndjek th\u00ebniet fetare apo qytetar i nj\u00eb vendi n\u00eb t\u00eb cilin mbret\u00ebrojn\u00eb parimet e ligjit e t\u00eb drejt\u00ebsis\u00eb? Kjo p\u00ebr mua algjerianin, pasi p\u00ebr nj\u00eb saudit nuk ekziston n\u00eb fakt as ambiguiteti m\u00eb minimal: nuk b\u00ebhet fjal\u00eb p\u00ebr nj\u00eb shtet modern, jan\u00eb imam\u00ebt de jan\u00eb besimtar\u00ebt, pik\u00eb. Sakt\u00ebsisht skema e Abistanit, aspak karikatur\u00eb. Problemi \u00ebsht\u00eb se po fillojm\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrjetojm\u00eb situata t\u00eb ngjashme edhe n\u00eb periferit\u00eb ekstreme e qyteteve t\u00eb m\u00ebdha t\u00eb Europ\u00ebs, q\u00eb g\u00eblojn\u00eb me t\u00eb rinj q\u00eb jetojn\u00eb sakt\u00ebsisht ambiguitetin p\u00ebr t\u00eb cilin po flisnim m\u00eb par\u00eb: jam nj\u00eb i ri mysliman (apo nj\u00eb e re myslimane) q\u00eb vishet n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb caktuar, ha n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb caktuar, mendon n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb caktuar apo jam nj\u00eb qytetar i Franc\u00ebs, Gjermanis\u00eb, Italis\u00eb e k\u00ebshtu me radh\u00eb? Ambiguitet i madh, kontradikt\u00eb evidente dhe e dhimbshme.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Natyrisht q\u00eb nga kritika p\u00ebr\u00a0<em>2084 \u2013 Fundi i bot\u00ebs<\/em>\u00a0kan\u00eb dal\u00eb krahasimet me Orwell, por n\u00eb romanin t\u00ebnd un\u00eb shoh edhe shum\u00eb Kafk\u00eb, sidomos n\u00eb p\u00ebrshkrimin e nj\u00eb burokracie t\u00eb pam\u00ebshirshme e t\u00eb padukshme, q\u00eb e ushtron pushtetin e saj t\u00eb pamat\u00eb n\u00eb vendet e p\u00ebrditshm\u00ebris\u00eb, kudo, aty ku e pret m\u00eb pak: paksa si\u00e7 ndodh tek\u00a0<em>Procesi\u2026<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Jam dakord me ty, por vet\u00ebm pse e konsideroj veten per\u00ebndimor p\u00ebr nga m\u00ebnyra e t\u00eb menduarit, e t\u00eb shikuarit t\u00eb gj\u00ebrave. \u00cbsht\u00eb k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb un\u00eb e ndjej si aburde, surreale, nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri si ajo q\u00eb p\u00ebrshkruaj n\u00eb romanin tim. Por problemi \u00ebsht\u00eb se n\u00eb fakt nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb aspak absurde, ky \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb gjykim vlere. Thjesht \u00ebsht\u00eb ndryshe dhe nj\u00eb abistanas realisht do ta gjente absurde bot\u00ebn ton\u00eb. N\u00ebqoft\u00ebse flasim p\u00ebr Kafk\u00ebn, jemi n\u00eb gjykim t\u00eb plot\u00eb vlere, gjykojm\u00eb at\u00eb q\u00eb nuk i p\u00ebrgjigjet logjik\u00ebs ton\u00eb, e damkosim si absurde nj\u00eb bot\u00eb ku 1+1 nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb baraz me 2. Me zor dhe v\u00ebshtir\u00ebsi, un\u00eb kam k\u00ebrkuar n\u00eb hartimin e romanit q\u00eb t\u2019i shmang me kujdes gjykimet e vler\u00ebs, duke ruajtur nj\u00eb shikim prej entimologu q\u00eb v\u00ebren nj\u00eb situat\u00eb dhe e p\u00ebrshkruan at\u00eb. \u00cbsht\u00eb edhe situata e vendeve q\u00eb kam vizituar dhe kam dashur t\u2019i tregoj me nj\u00eb shikim t\u00eb privuar nga paragjykimet, edhe pse do t\u00eb jet\u00eb lexuesi ai q\u00eb shp\u00ebrthen kund\u00ebr m\u00ebnyr\u00ebs q\u00eb kam p\u00ebr t\u00eb \u00ebrshkruar shoq\u00ebrit\u00eb islamike: b\u00ebj shum\u00eb k\u00ebshtu dhe e gjen veten menj\u00ebher\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrmbytur nga akuzat e islamofobis\u00eb dhe racizmit, thjesht sepse k\u00ebrkon t\u00eb abstragosh nga nj\u00eb sindrom\u00eb kafkiane dhe p\u00ebrdor nj\u00eb shikim paksa t\u00eb pasur me sfumatura.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Jan\u00eb rreth dy shekuj q\u00eb n\u00eb Europ\u00eb Zoti ka vdekur. Dometh\u00ebn\u00eb dy shekuj q\u00eb praktikisht \u00ebsht\u00eb zhdukur nga jeta sociale dhe nga zemra e njer\u00ebzve. Nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri pa Zot \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb e fort\u00eb apo m\u00eb e dob\u00ebt nga nj\u00eb e till\u00eb q\u00eb e vendos at\u00eb n\u00eb qend\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00e7kaje?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bota moderne lind nga ideja e braktisjes s\u00eb universit t\u00eb magjis\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb hyr\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb t\u00eb arsyes. E kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb arsyen Zotin ton\u00eb \u2013 n\u00eb fund t\u00eb fundit, n\u00eb Franc\u00eb pas vitit 1789 i jan\u00eb ngritur altar\u00eb arsyes \u2013 por nuk jemi n\u00eb fillimin e nj\u00eb procesi historik q\u00eb mendoj se do t\u00eb jet\u00eb ende shum\u00eb i gjat\u00eb. Paradoksalisht, mungesa e Zotit na ka b\u00ebr\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb brisht\u00eb, gjendemi t\u00eb varur as andej e as k\u00ebtej, n\u00eb nj\u00eb boshll\u00ebk t\u00eb madh q\u00eb arsyeja nuk ka arritur ende ta mbush\u00eb. Kemi l\u00ebn\u00eb prapa krah\u00ebve shum\u00eb iluzione, por akoma na ndodh q\u00eb t\u00eb shpikim gj\u00ebra p\u00ebr t\u00eb zbutur sadopak k\u00ebt\u00eb ndjenj\u00eb boshll\u00ebku, pa ia arritur me sukses. Ia arrin islami? Nuk e di. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb besim fetar i jasht\u00ebzakonsh\u00ebm apo ndoshta nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb aspak i till\u00eb, kushedi n\u00ebse do t\u2019ia dal\u00eb atje ku arsyeja p\u00ebr momentin ka d\u00ebshtuar. Por \u00ebsht\u00eb shpejt p\u00ebr ta th\u00ebn\u00eb, jan\u00eb vet\u00ebm dy shekuj q\u00eb Zoti ka vdekur, duhet t\u00eb presim q\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb i st\u00ebrvdekur p\u00ebr t\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb v\u00ebrtet n\u00ebse kemi m\u00ebsuar t\u00eb jetojm\u00eb pa t\u00eb, pas njer\u00ebzimi n\u00eb mij\u00ebvje\u00e7ar\u00eb ka jetuar gjithmon\u00eb n\u00eb hijen e ndonj\u00eb hyjnie. Por problemi \u00ebsht\u00eb se sot oferta e islamit ka nj\u00eb sukses t\u00eb jasht\u00ebzakonsh\u00ebm dhe, ndershm\u00ebrisht, pak t\u00eb kuptuesh\u00ebm. Jam shum\u00eb i befasuar jo vet\u00ebm nga sjellja e mysliman\u00ebve, n\u00eb mesin e t\u00eb cil\u00ebve jetoj, por edhe nga numri i bujsh\u00ebm i konvertimeve nga ana e per\u00ebndimor\u00ebve apo, gjithsesi, nga manifestimi i nj\u00eb interesi t\u00eb fort\u00eb kundrejt k\u00ebtij besimi. Kjo po, m\u00eb habit. P\u00ebrgjigja q\u00ebndron ndoshta tek rinia. Po, n\u00eb themel t\u00eb problemit \u00ebsht\u00eb rinia dhe raporti i saj me religjionin. Duke filluar nga Lufta e Par\u00eb Bot\u00ebrore dhe jo m\u00eb par\u00eb, n\u00eb shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb ton\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb shfaqur nj\u00eb entitet i ri: rinia. M\u00eb p\u00ebrpara nuk ekzistonin t\u00eb rinjt\u00eb si kategori sociale e ve\u00e7ant\u00eb, kalohej nga f\u00ebmij\u00ebria tek mosha e rritur shum\u00eb shpejt, n\u00eb harkun e pak viteve. Kurse sot kemi nj\u00eb kategori sociale t\u00eb p\u00ebrb\u00ebr\u00eb nga 3 \u2013 4 miliard persona, njer\u00ebz q\u00eb jan\u00eb midis 14 dhe 30 vje\u00e7\u00ebve n\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb bot\u00ebn, q\u00eb nuk jan\u00eb m\u00eb f\u00ebmij\u00eb, n\u00eb kuptimin q\u00eb nuk shprehen m\u00eb me kategorit\u00eb e loj\u00ebs dhe t\u00eb k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsis\u00eb, por nuk jan\u00eb ende t\u00eb rritur q\u00eb realizohen n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet institucionesh q\u00eb mb\u00ebshteten mbi konceptin e marrjes s\u00eb p\u00ebrgjegjshm\u00ebris\u00eb. Rinia realizohet, ku gjen kuptim? Ndoshta tek religjioni. T\u00eb rinjt\u00eb e sot\u00ebm jan\u00eb nj\u00eb d\u00ebshp\u00ebrim total, k\u00ebt\u00eb e dijm\u00eb mir\u00eb. P\u00ebr t\u00eb mbajtur t\u00eb z\u00ebn\u00eb 5 miliard persona n\u00eb k\u00ebto dekadat e fundit kemi shpikur gjith\u00e7ka: udh\u00ebtimet (por planeti \u00ebsht\u00eb ky q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb, nj\u00eb hap\u00ebsir\u00eb e fundme), arg\u00ebtimi industrial, ideologjit\u00eb. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pik\u00eb i takon religjionit. Je v\u00ebrtet besimtar vet\u00ebm midis 15 dhe 25 vje\u00e7\u00ebve, e keni v\u00ebrejtur? Kush jeton n\u00eb vendet ku religjioni \u00ebsht\u00eb i gjith\u00ebpranish\u00ebm, e kupton se besimtar\u00ebt e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb jan\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb fash\u00eb moshore, m\u00eb pas gj\u00ebja, natyrisht, zbehet.<\/p>\n<p>(Intervista \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb n\u00eb vitin 2018 nga\u00a0<em>Mangialibri<\/em>)<\/p>\n<p><strong>P\u00ebrgatiti:\u00a0<\/strong><strong>ARMIN TIRANA \/ bota.al<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I persekutuar nga fondamentalist\u00ebt islamik\u00eb dhe i detyruar q\u00eb t\u2019i botoj\u00eb librat e tij vet\u00ebm n\u00eb Europ\u00eb, shkrimtari algjerian Boualem Sansal ka qen\u00eb n\u00eb Rom\u00eb p\u00ebr nj\u00eb tur prezantimesh. Si besoni se do t\u00eb reagonte nj\u00eb lexues q\u00eb jeton n\u00eb nj\u00eb vend t\u00eb \u00e7far\u00ebdosh\u00ebm islamik p\u00ebr romanin tuaj \u201c2084 \u2013 Fundi i bot\u00ebs\u201d? 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